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johnnyg08 Wed Sep 26, 2007 02:03pm

Whining about a call 35 years later...
 
Interesting article I saw today about Bruce Froemming and his "Ball 4 call" to negate a Perfect Game back in 1972.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3019597

Congrats Bruce on your 50 year professional umpiring career!

bobbybanaduck Wed Sep 26, 2007 05:23pm

for those that don't feel like reading the whole thing, it basically says that bruce should have called the last batter of the game out on strikes cuz the guy wanted his perfect game. good reasoning. not.

bossman72 Wed Sep 26, 2007 06:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck
for those that don't feel like reading the whole thing, it basically says that bruce should have called the last batter of the game out on strikes cuz the guy wanted his perfect game. good reasoning. not.

Yeah, i seen this on outside the lines on espn today. what a bunch of BS! bruce was 100% right.

LomUmp Wed Sep 26, 2007 07:04pm

Hey all,

My interpretation of the disgruntled pitcher:

"WAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! I only threw a NO HITTER because of Bruce Frumm...., Fremm...., that stupid umpire! He should have known that I wanted the perfect game and GAVE IT TO ME!!!! WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!"

35+ years later, and still a rat!

LomUmp:cool:

SanDiegoSteve Thu Sep 27, 2007 02:15am

I don't care how fat or pudgy Bruce is, heck he's always been a big boneded kind of guy.

I don't care that he now flinches at damn near anything up and in, as he has taken a pounding back there.

Bruce is still one heck of an umpire who has had a career of which we should all be envious.

Happy retirement to Bruce!

Rich Ives Thu Sep 27, 2007 09:38am

Lighten up. It's a time-honored tradition.

Yogi still insists Robinson was out.

Dodger fans still whine about the non-call on Reggie. (I still think Russell dropped the ball on purpose).

Cardinal fans still whine about Denkinger.

Red Sox fans still whine about the Armbrister/Fisk play.

The Hrbek play still gets press.

Oriole fans still whine about Maier.

Dodger fans still insist the last pitch to Dale Mitchell was a ball.

Then there's the annual LL umpire bashing during the regionals and WS - done by other umpires, not the rats.

Rich Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives
Lighten up. It's a time-honored tradition.

Yogi still insists Robinson was out.

Dodger fans still whine about the non-call on Reggie. (I still think Russell dropped the ball on purpose).

Cardinal fans still whine about Denkinger.

Red Sox fans still whine about the Armbrister/Fisk play.

The Hrbek play still gets press.

Oriole fans still whine about Maier.

Dodger fans still insist the last pitch to Dale Mitchell was a ball.

Then there's the annual LL umpire bashing during the regionals and WS - done by other umpires, not the rats.

Yeah, but Pappas is still bitter about it. 35 years later.

FredFan7 Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:34am

WGN TV had Pappas on earlier this season to talk about the game. He spent 90% of the interview bashing and ripping Froemming.

It was embarrassing to watch.

bluezebra Thu Sep 27, 2007 01:08pm

I watched the game on TV. The pitch was close enough to go either way. If Froemming had any class, he would have called it a strike. The pitch was closer than the third strike called on Larsen's perfecto.

Bob

SanDiegoSteve Thu Sep 27, 2007 01:14pm

Lame opinion, zebra
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bluezebra
I watched the game on TV. The pitch was close enough to go either way. If Froemming had any class, he would have called it a strike. The pitch was closer than the third strike called on Larsen's perfecto.

Bob

Bruce has plenty of class. He called the pitch a ball. It was outside of the zone he had been calling all game. Why should he have changed his corner just to please a rat? Pretty lame to blame Froemming for that.

Welpe Thu Sep 27, 2007 02:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluezebra
The pitch was closer than the third strike called on Larsen's perfecto.

Bob

From the article to now, I'm still trying to figure out why this has any relevance to what Froemming should have called.

greymule Thu Sep 27, 2007 06:29pm

How does anyone claim to know exactly where Larsen's last pitch was? The only angle I've ever seen of it is the overhead shot up behind the plate. You can't tell from that.

greymule Thu Sep 27, 2007 06:55pm

But you can tell something else:

The pitch is on the way.
http://aycu23.webshots.com/image/303...0517298_rs.jpg
Dale Mitchell was a fine hitter. Does it look as if he is swinging at high pitch?
http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/286...9923118_rs.jpg

http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/301...3667858_rs.jpg
Does Yogi Berra appear to be catching a high pitch?
http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/302...9731200_rs.jpg

http://aycu23.webshots.com/image/281...1810734_rs.jpg
Hmmm. Did he go?
http://aycu09.webshots.com/image/264...0090611_rs.jpg

http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/295...0045206_rs.jpg

Strike 3.

JRutledge Thu Sep 27, 2007 07:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluezebra
I watched the game on TV. The pitch was close enough to go either way. If Froemming had any class, he would have called it a strike. The pitch was closer than the third strike called on Larsen's perfecto.

Bob

We are calling pitches based on the level of class we have?

I will have to keep that in mind.

BTW, I saw the film of 3 pitches that he called balls and each pitch appeared to be outside. The angle was the same as the Larsen frames shown above. But the catcher had to reach for each of the pitches.

Peace

johnnyg08 Fri Sep 28, 2007 09:29am

Thanks mule for posting those pics of Larsen...I agree w/ many of the posters on here...who cares where the pitch was...he swung.


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