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JFlores Fri Aug 31, 2007 09:03am

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Originally Posted by Welpe
Maybe that being the wet-behind the ears rookie that he is, Chamberlin decided to throw at Youk on his own accord. Maybe Youk insulted his momma, maybe Angel only had one more ejection to go before he got his free toaster.

Flores, are you a Yankee fan by chance?

I would've run him.

:) you got me there buddy, yes I am Yankee fan....but all jokes aside I dont think it was intentional. Only Joba knows but we will see in a couple of weeks if it escalates into anything. I only think the Red Sox made so much noise about it is to deflect the fact they got there a$$ handed to them.

GarthB Fri Aug 31, 2007 09:34am

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Originally Posted by ctblu40
He he he... a wet ball during an afternoon game at Yankee Stadium? It was 85* and sunny ... he he he:rolleyes:

He!!, Gaylord Perry could throw a wet ball on a 107* day in the middle of a drought in a domed stadium.:D

Blue37 Fri Aug 31, 2007 09:50am

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Originally Posted by ctblu40
He he he... a wet ball during an afternoon game at Yankee Stadium? It was 85* and sunny ... he he he:rolleyes:

Maybe some of the wetness behind his ears dripped onto the ball.

Welpe Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:29am

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Originally Posted by Blue37
Maybe some of the wetness behind his ears dripped onto the ball.

But when does he have to wipe his ear? When he's on the dirt circle or is it when he's on the rubber?

Rcichon Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:53am

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Originally Posted by GarthB
He!!, Gaylord Perry could throw a wet ball on a 107* day in the middle of a drought in a domed stadium.:D

Hey Garth, I remember watching Gaylord and his famous [infamous?] spitball!

If it was Gaylord, that would have given Angel another option to ej!:D

Dan_ref Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:29am

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Originally Posted by ctblu40
He he he... a wet ball during an afternoon game at Yankee Stadium? It was 85* and sunny ... he he he:rolleyes:

It's not the heat, it's the humidity ;)

2 things are certain from that game: Yuke ran out of the baseline and Jaba was headhunting.

MD Longhorn Fri Aug 31, 2007 02:37pm

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Originally Posted by JFlores
dont you think if Joba wanted to send a message he would of hit Ortiz instead of waiting for Youkilis. Some of the comments you guys make are way off base, makes me think your Boston fans who are upset that they got swept, relax guys your still up five games.

The poor young man was most likely trying to overthrow the ball, the ball mightve been wet.

Not if they were trying to send a message to Youkilis...

SanDiegoSteve Fri Aug 31, 2007 04:27pm

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Originally Posted by JFlores
dont you think if Joba wanted to send a message he would of hit Ortiz instead of waiting for Youkilis. Some of the comments you guys make are way off base, makes me think your Boston fans who are upset that they got swept, relax guys your still up five games.

He was throwing right where he was aiming. Why would this guy want to throw at Ortiz? He doesn't want to get pounded into the ground, does he? Of course he threw a Youk. Everybody throws at Youk. I don't know why, other than they sure won't throw at Big Papi.

Sure, we're Sox fans, but bigger than that, we are Yankee haters.:)

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Originally Posted by JFlores
The poor young man was most likely trying to overthrow the ball, the ball mightve been wet.

Arguably the funniest thing I've read here in some time now. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Poor young man...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Trying...to...overthrow...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

(Garth, do I owe a royalty for that?)

Both balls were wet? Hmmmmmm. Angel gave him a new ball after the first one he aimed at Youkilis' dome. I might buy one wet ball, but not two!

JJ Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:56am

One ball over the head that "gets away" I might excuse if in my judgement there was no reason for it. TWO in rapid succession earns an ejection, especially at the higher levels of ball. If the thought goes through MY mind that he's throwing at him, I know it's going through a lot of other minds as well - one of those might be the opposing manager and pitcher.
It's called preventative umpiring.

JJ

Kaliix Sat Sep 01, 2007 02:04pm

You, and most others, make a good point, which is why I don't disagree with the ejection, because I absolutely can see your point of view. I still don't believe though, that Chamberlain was actually throwing at Youkilis though.

In general, this ejection just annoys me to no end because of the what happened earlier in the year to the Yankees when the Blue Jays threw at A-Rod when he was back at their home field. With the whole yelling at the third baseman situation that happened previously, you had to know that they were gonna hit him. So one pitch goes behind him or at his feet (can't remember which) and then another pitch hits him and nothing is done about it. I and everyone in the park knew that they were throwing at A-Rod intentionally and they missed him with the first one and the plunked him with the second one and no one was ejected.

That is crap. You want to eject for pitchers throwing at someone when there is no obvious provocation, fine. But when everyone damn well knows it's coming and then the batter is hit, after missing once, someone should be tossed!

MLB and MLB umpires need to be more consistent and enforce the rules the same for everyone. If you are gonna eject Chamberlain, then that Toronto pitcher should have gone as well, particularly since that was a much more obvious, clear cut case.

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Originally Posted by JJ
One ball over the head that "gets away" I might excuse if in my judgement there was no reason for it. TWO in rapid succession earns an ejection, especially at the higher levels of ball. If the thought goes through MY mind that he's throwing at him, I know it's going through a lot of other minds as well - one of those might be the opposing manager and pitcher.
It's called preventative umpiring.

JJ


mattmets Sat Sep 01, 2007 02:33pm

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Originally Posted by Kaliix
You, and most others, make a good point, which is why I don't disagree with the ejection, because I absolutely can see your point of view. I still don't believe though, that Chamberlain was actually throwing at Youkilis though.

In general, this ejection just annoys me to no end because of the what happened earlier in the year to the Yankees when the Blue Jays threw at A-Rod when he was back at their home field. With the whole yelling at the third baseman situation that happened previously, you had to know that they were gonna hit him. So one pitch goes behind him or at his feet (can't remember which) and then another pitch hits him and nothing is done about it. I and everyone in the park knew that they were throwing at A-Rod intentionally and they missed him with the first one and the plunked him with the second one and no one was ejected.

That is crap. You want to eject for pitchers throwing at someone when there is no obvious provocation, fine. But when everyone damn well knows it's coming and then the batter is hit, after missing once, someone should be tossed!

MLB and MLB umpires need to be more consistent and enforce the rules the same for everyone. If you are gonna eject Chamberlain, then that Toronto pitcher should have gone as well, particularly since that was a much more obvious, clear cut case.

IIRC that series also had Angel's crew working it....seems a little odd that they would handle 2 similar situations very differently.


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