When players attack

[bbump82]

Has Jose Offerman lost his mind? In a MiLB game he was HBP and charged the mound.... with the BAT! He is now charged with assault for hitting both the catcher and the pitcher with the bat. Arrested in the clubhouse and bail set and posted at $10,000.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2975386

[waltjp]

From the article - "Offerman, Beech and (Tommy) John were all ejected."

What did Beech do, other than imitate in for a piñata???

[voiceoflg]

Originally Posted by waltjp

From the article - "Offerman, Beech and (Tommy) John were all ejected."

What did Beech do, other than imitate in for a piñata???

http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spd...news-headlines

"Out of the majors since playing for the New York Mets in 2005, Offerman homered in the first inning Tuesday night for the Long Island Ducks. The next inning, he was hit by a pitch from Bridgeport Bluefish starter Matt Beech and charged the mound with his bat."

Not condoning what Offerman did, but intentionally throwing at a batter after the batter hits a home run should be grounds for assault charges as well. Maybe or maybe not if the pitch is in the thigh, backside, or ribs. But definitely if it is at the head.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by voiceoflg

http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spd...news-headlines
Maybe or maybe not if the pitch is in the thigh, backside, or ribs. But definitely if it is at the head.

Offerman was hit in the calf. There was no mention of 'intent' in the article cited in the OP. I didn't see the play but 'intent' seems to be a hard sell when the batter was hit in the calf. More likely an umpire playing CYA.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by voiceoflg

http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spd...news-headlines

"Out of the majors since playing for the New York Mets in 2005, Offerman homered in the first inning Tuesday night for the Long Island Ducks. The next inning, he was hit by a pitch from Bridgeport Bluefish starter Matt Beech and charged the mound with his bat."

Not condoning what Offerman did, but intentionally throwing at a batter after the batter hits a home run should be grounds for assault charges as well. Maybe or maybe not if the pitch is in the thigh, backside, or ribs. But definitely if it is at the head.

Well, let's see:

• • Hit in the calf with a cutter.
  • Let's hit the pitcher in the head with a bat.

Yup, sounds fair to me ----- NOT!

Offerman was a head case when he played for Boston years ago! I see that time hasn't changed him. In my opinion, Baseball should set him aside for life for pulling this stunt!

No Mercy for the Wicked!

[voiceoflg]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Well, let's see:

• • Hit in the calf with a cutter.
  • Let's hit the pitcher in the head with a bat.

Yup, sounds fair to me ----- NOT!

I didn't say it was fair. But it is high time pitchers who intentionally throw at the head (didn't happen in this case, but it does happen) face charges as well.

[UmpLarryJohnson]

Originally Posted by voiceoflg

I didn't say it was fair. But it is high time pitchers who intentionally throw at the head (didn't happen in this case, but it does happen) face charges as well.

with a Pticher you cant prove INTENT...hell' say it was a accident. a batter chargin w a bat is always INTENT however

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by voiceoflg

I didn't say it was fair. But it is high time pitchers who intentionally throw at the head (didn't happen in this case, but it does happen) face charges as well.

To start with, most times you see a ball heading for a batter's head is an accident. Balls slip, mechanics go crazy - in other words $hit happens, and the ball goes to the wrong place. You will rarely ever see a fast ball heading for a batter's head unless the pitcher is really wild (or wants to leave the game). Pitchers will throw to the body but usually off speed.

"A professional pitcher can put the ball where ever he wants. So if I am going to throw at your head, I'm going to make sure that it's my best pitch because it's such a small target! And my best pitch is straight as an arrow at over 98 MPH!" Nolan Ryan

Something to think about.

[aceholleran]

I happen to live in Bridgeport and am webmaster for the Bluefish (the defensive team in thisincident). I wasn't at the game, but have talked to quite a few who were there.

Offerman (an ex-Bluefish, BTW) lollgagged it trotting around the bases on his first-inning dinger. Catcher John Nathans said something to him on his next at bat. Then, Matt Beech hit him with in the calf on an 0-1 curve.

Here's the link to Offie's "denial." Then click on the photo to see a well-done slide show. No video crew was at the game.

Hmmm two ballplayers faking a broken finger and a concussion? Do I smell a rodent?

http://www.connpost.com//ci_6631730?...w.connpost.com

Ace, cub reporter

[Jim Porter]

Originally Posted by aceholleran

I happen to live in Bridgeport and am webmaster for the Bluefish (the defensive team in thisincident). I wasn't at the game, but have talked to quite a few who were there.

Offerman (an ex-Bluefish, BTW) lollgagged it trotting around the bases on his first-inning dinger. Catcher John Nathans said something to him on his next at bat. Then, Matt Beech hit him with in the calf on an 0-1 curve.

Here's the link to Offie's "denial." Then click on the photo to see a well-done slide show. No video crew was at the game.

Hmmm two ballplayers faking a broken finger and a concussion? Do I smell a rodent?

http://www.connpost.com//ci_6631730?...w.connpost.com

Ace, cub reporter

Offerman lied in that article -- he most certainly did take a swing at Beech. The slideshow clearly shows that.

But curiously enough, the blow appeared to land mostly on Beech's pitching hand. At no point does it appear to hit Nathans on the back of the head.

Still, a broken finger is hard to fake, with x-rays and all. It might've happened during the ensuing melee.

Either way, stupid move on Offerman's part.

[UmpLarryJohnson]

Mike Wilbon (pti) says thatt JO was entilted to swing his bat at Pitch becusee Baseball wont do away w the beanball. so there. I saw it on Pti the other day.

[aceholleran]

Originally Posted by UmpLarryJohnson

Mike Wilbon (pti) says thatt JO was entilted to swing his bat at Pitch becusee Baseball wont do away w the beanball. so there. I saw it on Pti the other day.

Now, tell me who got beaned. No one.

I saw Nathans the day after he got hit. He was still shaky.

This guy is a hard-nosed ballplayer.

I cannot believe that people on this board can support Offerman's actions.

Ace

[UmpLarryJohnson]

Originally Posted by aceholleran

I cannot believe that people on this board can support Offerman's actions.

i dont. it was Wilbon who did--i just report that fact. i couldnt bel he defended it either!

he kept sayin that aslong as Pitchers can buzz batters wo being arrested then batters can attack them w thier bats legally! i think the guy is nutzo myself.