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JR12 Mon Jul 23, 2007 08:41am

F1 with sunglasses
 
I've never seen a pitcher wear sunglasses. I've never seen a rule prohibiting them. Is there something written somewhere against them.
PS, Don't jump on me if it's a stupid question.

ptmac Mon Jul 23, 2007 08:44am

There is no requirement for a pitcher to remove his sunglasses (Gustavo Chacin of the Blue Jays uses sunglasses), but they cannot be reflective. In other words, they cannot have a 'mirror' finish that reflects light.

officialtony Mon Jul 23, 2007 09:29am

ptmac,
could you please reference the rule that supports your statement about reflective lenses?

Thanks in advance.

bob jenkins Mon Jul 23, 2007 09:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by officialtony
ptmac,
could you please reference the rule that supports your statement about reflective lenses?

Thanks in advance.

There's no "official" specific rule on that. It's a general interp that the mirror woiuld be distracting, and is covered under 1.11(f) (and rules in other codes on "nothing distracting")

BigUmp56 Mon Jul 23, 2007 09:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by officialtony
ptmac,
could you please reference the rule that supports your statement about reflective lenses?

Thanks in advance.

The only thing you'll find that addresses something reflective in OBR is 1.11(f)


The refference in FED would be 1-1-5.


Neither directly addresses reflective lenses on sunglasses.


Tim.

officialtony Mon Jul 23, 2007 09:51am

Thanks,

Appreciate the info

RPatrino Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:21am

I had only one coach complain about a pitcher wearing sunglasses. This JC assistant starts chirping at me from the 3rd base coaching box about it being against the rules. I give the "*** coach" the stop sign, which he correctly understands to mean "shut up". I trot out the mound and confirm what I suspect that the glasses are prescription (and not reflective).

I call over the HC, explain the situation, he visits the '*** coach'. Not one more word about the sunglasses.

kylejt Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:30am

There's no rule against sunglasses, nor is there a need for them to be prescription. The only question would be if they are a distraction to the batter. It is a judgement call by the umpires.

RPatrino Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:33am

I guess I needed to tell you what was said in my 'conversation' with the HC. It went like this.

Me:"Ed, there is no rule against a pitcher wearing sunglasses, and you know that, right?"
Ed: Yes.
Me: "Plus the glasses are prescription, would you like him to pitch without them?"
Ed: No.
Me: "Ed, tell your 3rd base coach to shut up, ok"
Ed: Ok.

fitump56 Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptmac
There is no requirement for a pitcher to remove his sunglasses (Gustavo Chacin of the Blue Jays uses sunglasses), but they cannot be reflective. In other words, they cannot have a 'mirror' finish that reflects light.

If B complains, F1 needs to remove.

UMP25 Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:59pm

Since when? So you're going to let a batter dictate everything about a pitcher? Of course, batters would NEVER do anything just to mess with a pitcher's mind. :rolleyes:

fitump56 Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:04am

Since I call the game, no and so what?

UMP25 Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:09am

Anyone who says "If B complains..." ought to rethink his calling games period if he lets a batter dictate everything. Just be careful not to fall prey to a batter's true intentions.

fitump56 Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by UMP25
Anyone who says "If B complains..." ought to rethink his calling games period if he lets a batter dictate everything. Just be careful not to fall prey to a batter's true intentions.

We agree. I :D never do

kylejt Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitump56
If B complains, F1 needs to remove.

You're kiddin', right?

DonInKansas Wed Jul 25, 2007 02:13am

Kei Igawa of the Yankees wears em too.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/147/4...2da77c90_o.jpg

bob jenkins Wed Jul 25, 2007 07:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitump56
If B complains, F1 needs to remove.

Rule reference, please.

UmpLarryJohnson Wed Jul 25, 2007 08:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitump56
Since I call the game, no and so what?

WOW hahahahaha

ozzy6900 Wed Jul 25, 2007 09:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Rule reference, please.

Hey Bob, under FED, there may be an issue if the batter complains. :rolleyes:

FED 1-4-2 states:
ART. 2 ... For individual players, uniform sleeve lengths may vary. However, sleeves of each individual player shall be approximately the same length and shall not be ragged, frayed or slit. If the pitcher's undershirt sleeves are exposed, they shall not be white or gray. A pitcher shall not wear any item on his hands, wrists or arms which may be distracting to the batter.
Now I've never gotten any complaints about F1 wearing normal sunglasses (never ran into the mirrored variety) but I am sure that some coach, somewhere may try to extend FED 1-4-2 to include sunglasses.

Personally, if F1 needs sunglasses in order to see properly, I am not going to say a word. Hell, the batter should be looking for the ball and that is usually somewhere around F1's hand, isn't it? :)

Jerry Wed Jul 25, 2007 09:28am

Kevin Gregg of the Florida Marlins started wearing reflective sunglasses while pitching, even at night. The shades have become his signature . . . and a key to his success, or so he says. Gregg wears them at night to reduce the glare from stadium lights, he said.

There's nothing in any MLB rule book or manual that prohibits the use of reflective sunglasses, that I'm aware of. Obviously, MLB hasn't done anything to prevent Kevin from wearing them.

Jerry

BigUmp56 Wed Jul 25, 2007 09:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzy6900
[/INDENT][LEFT]Now I've never gotten any complaints about F1 wearing normal sunglasses (never ran into the mirrored variety) but I am sure that some coach, somewhere may try to extend FED 1-4-2 to include sunglasses.

Unless the pitcher's wearing his sunglasses on his hands, wrists, or arms, I don't see how a coach could extend 1-4-2 to include sunglasses.


Tim.

ozzy6900 Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigUmp56
Unless the pitcher's wearing his sunglasses on his hands, wrists, or arms, I don't see how a coach could extend 1-4-2 to include sunglasses.


Tim.

Note the :rolleyes: following the post! Also, you know that a coach will use everything possible!

Besides, son't you wear sunglasses on your arms? I hear it's the latest rage on the West Coast! :D

BigUmp56 Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzy6900
Note the :rolleyes: following the post! Also, you know that a coach will use everything possible!

Besides, son't you wear sunglasses on your arms? I hear it's the latest rage on the West Coast! :D

Too true. A coach complaining about sunglasses would be an automatic 11.03(g) for me.


Tim.

fitump56 Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Rule reference, please.

You got one. The other is if I am PU, and I believe that there is an issue, I'm ripping those things off his face.

fitump56 Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonInKansas
Kei Igawa of the Yankees wears em too.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/147/4...2da77c90_o.jpg

Nice pic. Don't seem to reflect.

bob jenkins Thu Jul 26, 2007 08:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitump56
You got one. The other is if I am PU, and I believe that there is an issue, I'm ripping those things off his face.

Sorry, I don't think the quoted rule can be interpreted as "if the batter complains, F1 NEEDS TO remove" as you originally stated.

And, while I agree that if the umpire thinks there is an issue that the glasses should be removed, that's not the point I was making and is not relevant to the statement you made.

fitump56 Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Sorry, I don't think the quoted rule can be interpreted as "if the batter complains, F1 NEEDS TO remove" as you originally stated.

And, while I agree that if the umpire thinks there is an issue that the glasses should be removed, that's not the point I was making and is not relevant to the statement you made.

You asked for me to produce a rule, I said "you got one" and here it was.

http://forum.officiating.com/showpos...1&postcount=19

No need to restate it. FTM, you could call it UC. But if I have a B with a legitimate complaint, then off they go. Until then, on they stay unless they offend me.

Rich Ives Fri Jul 27, 2007 06:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitump56
You asked for me to produce a rule, I said "you got one" and here it was.

http://forum.officiating.com/showpos...1&postcount=19

No need to restate it. FTM, you could call it UC. But if I have a B with a legitimate complaint, then off they go. Until then, on they stay unless they offend me.


You didn't produce a rule that applies.

bob jenkins Fri Jul 27, 2007 07:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitump56
But if I have a B with a legitimate complaint, then off they go. Until then, on they stay unless they offend me.

I agree with this. It's not how I read what you said before.

Rich Ives Fri Jul 27, 2007 09:21am

Of course no batter would lie about it being distracting. No head game. It really is distracting Blue honest. Cross my heart.

fitump56 Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:34pm

Originally Posted by fitump56
But if I have a B with a legitimate complaint, then off they go. Until then, on they stay unless they offend me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
I agree with this. It's not how I read what you said before.

My bad then. :o

fitump56 Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:36pm

I'm PU, B claims its distracting, I should see it too. If not, maybe it's my angle to the sun, it shouldn't be hard to figure out.


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