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Old Tue Jul 17, 2007, 09:41pm
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A lot of leagues around here have "slide or avoid," and I'm curious how you can justify not calling INT here. Assuming the contact occurs on the 3B side of the plate (I agree that this is HTBT, but F2 is stretched that way and turns to throw to 1B), we have no slide AND contact that affects the play. What does "slide or avoid contact" mean here?

I lean the other way: agree that it's HTBT (to judge where the contact occurs), but to me it sounds like INT under OBR w/ "slide or avoid contact".

I'm not aware of any rules set absent some local league rule that has a slide or avoid provision. The rules that I'm familiar with have a slide or attempt to avoid provision. Based on the description of this play it sounds to me like F2 swung his leg out over the plate where the contact occured as he attempted to throw the ball.


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Old Tue Jul 17, 2007, 11:12pm
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I have never seen a FPSR called at the plate. I know it's possible, but I have never seen it and would not call it in this case. Start and catchers will start leg whipping on the throw to get this call.

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Old Tue Jul 17, 2007, 11:15pm
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Old Wed Jul 18, 2007, 10:55am
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First, thank you all for your responses.

I talked to my Commish, and he heard that the catcher admitted to someone it was his fault the contact occurred. I also heard the HC told someone he tried to keep his brother (assistant coach) in the dugout, but to no avail.

Gives me a little confirmation, justification is probably a better word, but I am still questioning my judgement on this because of the feedback I got from some of my brethren.

I do agree that the FPSR could have been called here, and maybe should have been called here. Sometime it is HTBT, or one's sole judgement.

A possible Case Book play here?

I do remember seeing a McNeely interp on this in the BRD.

Found it, AO 43-320 pg. 200 Any relevance here?
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Old Wed Jul 18, 2007, 02:34pm
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So,

Tommy, are you telling us STILL that you don't think this was a violation of the FPSR?

Really, becasue if you are you are doing exactly what I comment on:

Come in here and ask for opinions,

Get several opinions,

Tell us you were right and we are wrong.

Have I figured this out correctly?

(Psst, it was a classic violation of the FPSR and you erred by not calling it . . . that lead to multiple ejections . . . maybe one day you'll be wise enough to accept teaching.)
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Old Sat Nov 24, 2007, 04:10pm
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you guys kill me

He wasn't asking about the FPSR he was asking about his ejections!!!

I don't care if you get all your calls wrong.... that's up to you! but I'm glad you got rid of everyone you did!

Who cares about FPSR and if you got it right or wrong! and Someone that yells "That's redick in my face just after I boomed 2 other guys is done!"

Don't call them brothers because if you wanted to know about the FPSR you would have asked about that!!

You asked about the ejections Not FPSR
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Old Sat Nov 24, 2007, 04:32pm
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He wasn't asking about the FPSR he was asking about his ejections!!!

I don't care if you get all your calls wrong.... that's up to you! but I'm glad you got rid of everyone you did!

Who cares about FPSR and if you got it right or wrong! and Someone that yells "That's redick in my face just after I boomed 2 other guys is done!"

Don't call them brothers because if you wanted to know about the FPSR you would have asked about that!!

You asked about the ejections Not FPSR
I could say some things about a poster dredging up 4-month-old threads for no good reason, but what would be the point?
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He wasn't asking about the FPSR he was asking about his ejections!!!

I don't care if you get all your calls wrong.... that's up to you! but I'm glad you got rid of everyone you did!

Who cares about FPSR and if you got it right or wrong! and Someone that yells "That's redick in my face just after I boomed 2 other guys is done!"

Don't call them brothers because if you wanted to know about the FPSR you would have asked about that!!

You asked about the ejections Not FPSR
I do not have a problem with the ejections. Regardless of the call, people need to behave. It's ok for the manager / player to give their $.02 (provided no F Bomb or any derogattory statements made directly at the umpire) but after that it's time to play ball, however,

IMO, as others such as TEE, Bob et al have tried to explain in FED, from the OP it's a FPSR violation.

IMO, here's what you are missing:

If the FPSR was called initially perhaps none of the "other" stuff would have taken place which is the point the posters are trying to explain.

As mentioned, I do not agree with the behavior that was displayed but that is typical of mens adult leagues.

Also, what has me puzzled is that I have been umpiring mens adult wood bat leagues for years and none of them plays by FED rules.

Home plate is treated like any other base in FED. In fact there is case play on the play at the plate. We all were not there but from the strict reading of the OP it's a FPSR violation and if you are going to play by FED rules, then you need to understand them and make the call.

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Upon reading the first couple pages of this thread, I was worried that UmpLarryJohnson was back and we would have to listen to his jibberish again. Then I saw that the thread is about 4 months old.

But like oyaisee was saying, the original poster was not asking for a rule interpretation. I thought his third ejection was a bit early, but I liked his first two. Any time a player gets in my face, or approaches me violently, he's tossed.
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Oh, as opposed to your jibberish?

I'll take Larry's, thank you.
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I don't know about anyone else, but I find little value in discussing past ejections. So you ejected some participants, good for you. If you don't want to discuss the calls that precipitated those ejections, that is your business.
I personally find much more value in talking about how the rule was misapplied then in the meltdowns that followed.

Everyone makes their own decisions about when and whether to eject. Nothing we say here is going to change that.
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He wasn't asking about the FPSR he was asking about his ejections!!!

I don't care if you get all your calls wrong.... that's up to you! but I'm glad you got rid of everyone you did!

Who cares about FPSR and if you got it right or wrong! and Someone that yells "That's redick in my face just after I boomed 2 other guys is done!"

Don't call them brothers because if you wanted to know about the FPSR you would have asked about that!!

You asked about the ejections Not FPSR

Sorry to disappoint you, but when I see that someone has a negligible understanding of a rule, I'm going to point it out so that he can learn from it. That's pretty much what this forum is supposed to be about. And dumping a coach for saying "that's ridiculous" is, well.............ridiculous!


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Old Mon Nov 26, 2007, 04:43pm
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I have only had to make 1 force play slide rule interference call at home in 21 years, and luckily, I got it right!
Since the FPSR only became part of the FED in 1998, I fail to see the significance of your statement.
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Old Tue Nov 27, 2007, 02:59pm
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Upon reading the first couple pages of this thread, I was worried that UmpLarryJohnson was back and we would have to listen to his jibberish again. Then I saw that the thread is about 4 months old.
not goin any where kid. your gonna have to do beter than find old posts of mine for that. but we'll be here to laff at you as you mentally soil yourself so to say
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Old Tue Nov 27, 2007, 05:04pm
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Not that it matters, but with FPSR, does there need to be a Good chance for the Catcher to retire thre runner involved in the decision? Without a throw here, I wonder if the catcher choose not to throw? I'm just curious, as I don't currently deal with this rule, but could easily see having to in the future.
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