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iowafanseattle Fri Jun 29, 2007 01:41pm
Foul Ball / Dugout situation
 
This happened in a high school baseball game:

Runners on 1st and 3rd with 1 out.

Batter hits a foul pop-up near the dugout, the dugouts are open in the front.

The catcher catches the foul ball about 4-feet before his momentum carries
him into the dugout. After he stops his momentum he immediately returns to
the field of play.

The umpire ruled: Batter out and both runners advance 1-base as the ball
went into the dugout.

Is this the correct call ?

Thanks

UmpJM Fri Jun 29, 2007 01:44pm
iowafan,

Yes, the umpire's ruling was correct.

This is commonly referred to as the "catch and carry" rule.

FED 8-3-3d.

JM

fitump56 Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:34am
Quote:
Originally Posted by iowafanseattle
This happened in a high school baseball game:

Runners on 1st and 3rd with 1 out.

Batter hits a foul pop-up near the dugout, the dugouts are open in the front.

The catcher catches the foul ball about 4-feet before his momentum carries
him into the dugout. After he stops his momentum he immediately returns to
the field of play.

The umpire ruled: Batter out and both runners advance 1-base as the ball
went into the dugout.

Is this the correct call ?

Thanks
Depends on his actual momentum. If he had no other choice but to catch and carry, then all is well. If not, then he has no right to do so and kill the potential advancement of Rs.

Rich Sat Jun 30, 2007 02:47am
Quote:
Originally Posted by fitump56
Depends on his actual momentum. If he had no other choice but to catch and carry, then all is well. If not, then he has no right to do so and kill the potential advancement of Rs.
FED game. Iowa. Award each runner a base. Doesn't matter if his momentum carries him out.

RPatrino Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:42pm
"Depends on his actual momentum". That's a hoot!!! I like the one I heard where the PU was going to call a strike on the batter for every player that was standing outside the dugout. Where do they come up with these?

rei Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:03am
Quote:
Originally Posted by RPatrino
I like the one I heard where the PU was going to call a strike on the batter for every player that was standing outside the dugout.
I actually kind of like that idea!

Tim, think we can do that in Oregon? :D

Tim C Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:11am
Hehehe
 
Rei:

I could take that in front of committee.

Hope your summer is going well.

Regards,

rei Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:18am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim C
Rei:

I could take that in front of committee.

Hope your summer is going well.

Regards,
You know, really, it would be a "soft" approach to cleaning it up. Imagine the batter going back to the dugout and "telling off" his dumb teammates who just struck him out on a "technicality"! :)

But really, we could still have the ejection for repeat offenders, but with issuing strikes to the batter for doing it, I doubt it would even get to an ejection.

Of course, would have have to have umpires actually ENFORCE this rule. :(

fitump56 Tue Jul 03, 2007 03:24am
[quote=RPatrino]"Depends on his actual momentum". That's a hoot. [quote]

Never had a player run into the dugout when he had every reasonable chance not to? I have. If a player makes a catch then continues into the dugout on his own accord and effort, what would you call?

DG Tue Jul 03, 2007 07:40am
Quote:
Originally Posted by fitump56
Depends on his actual momentum. If he had no other choice but to catch and carry, then all is well. If not, then he has no right to do so and kill the potential advancement of Rs.
Actually, if he intentionally took the ball into DBT it is a 2 base award. I don't know why he would do this so I would not likely call it intentional. But I can easily see an outfielder take one into DBT to prevent a run from scoring, or so he thought.

fitump56 Wed Jul 04, 2007 01:39am
Originally Posted by fitump56
Depends on his actual momentum. If he had no other choice but to catch and carry, then all is well. If not, then he has no right to do so and kill the potential advancement of Rs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DG
Actually, if he intentionally took the ball into DBT it is a 2 base award. I don't know why he would do this so I would not likely call it intentional. But I can easily see an outfielder take one into DBT to prevent a run from scoring, or so he thought.
"So he thought" is correct. Some, maybe most players, think this is a way to kill the ball and limit Rs advancing to one base. This is what I meant above, it was poorly worded. OFs who run willfully into DBT, I agree, and this was actually who I was thinking about. Appreciate the clarification, thanks.


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