Hawk Harrelson - Worst announcer EVER!
 

This is classic. Hawk Harrelson going on a rant about how the umpires blew the call in the Cubs-White Sox game on Sunday.

For those that didn't see the play :

With Felix Pie at second base and Angel Pagan at first for the Cubs, Mark DeRosa singled off the wall in right field. Rob Mackowiak threw the ball in as the runners were moving. Pagan ran into Sox shortstop Juan Uribe near second base, and umpire Ed Rapuano signaled obstuction by Uribe.

Pagan kept trying to go to third..saw that Pie was being held at third and in trying to get back to second was tagged out. Pie tried to score as they played on Pagan but got caught in a rundown of his own and was tagged out going into home. After the play, the umpires placed all the runners back on the bases: Pie at third, Pagan at second, and DeRosa at first, and cancelled the outs. Ruling that once a play is made on an obstructed runner the ball is dead.

Here is Hawks rant..my favorite part is when he thinks they are calling a triple play even though only two runners were tagged.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7pQnPczK5SY

hilarious, i cringe when i see i have to listen to a full game with hawk and dj.

i love that they think the protest is going to be upheld and that they ay this is a great example of why there needs to be instant replay.

Careful laying the "worst ever" label on anything, because he certainly is not the "worst ever," and I think you know that.


I can name a few announcers that are much worse than old Hawk the Homer.

When an opposing batter strikes out, Harrelson sounds like a braying jackass; "Heee goooone".

As for his lack of rules knowledge, he's no worse than the others. In fact, he's behind Tim McCarver and Joe Morgan.

Bob

It's been a while since I lived in White Sox land and had to endure the Hawk and whoever had the chair next to him. McCarver and Morgan have a national stage on which to parade their ignorance, and the fact that so many more people hear their mistakes makes it difficult to judge whose rules knowledge is worse.

Especially when there wasn't even a protest (I don't think). I think Cora(?) (the assistant coach who took over for Guillen) tried to protest but couldn't explain what he was protesting, so the protest was never accepted.

Jim Palmer (calling an Orioles games last week) explained why Freddy Bynum was safe on a bang-banger at 1B. "The TIE goes to the runner".
Here is a HOF pitcher who constantly gets rules WRONG!

Or would that be ahead of McCarver and Morgan ? :D

Missing one key point
 

You're missing the small detail that links most of these announcers together. They're players, when have the players ever known the rules and have the knowledge to apply them right? If they did, they would be umpires!! :D

No. In lack of rules knowledge, he's behind in the sense of order.

Worst..McCarver; Second..Morgan; Third..Harrelson. But it's close.

Bob

Wow, you can put that little duck-snort on the board.....YES!

I think Harrelson is much more knowledgeable than are Palmer and Reynolds. I would put them 3 and 4 respectively. I think we can come up with even more.

I've listened the Hawkeroo for many years, and he's usually not as bad as this latest thing. He's just a homer who thinks his team got hosed. I'm sure if it were explained to him, that he would acknowledge that the right call was eventually made.

I really can't blame any White Sox personnel for being upset about this play. The umpires royally screwed up. While they corrected their errors in the end and eventually got the right ruling and placement of runners, they let all that action play out when play should've been stopped. They allowed the White Sox to acquire two outs that would later be nullified. They made a difficult situation a helluva lot worse. It was very poor umpiring. Hawk is paid by the White Sox to be their announcer. He's their representative. While he might not have understood the final outcome (and, let's face it, most umpires on these forums didn't understand the outcome until it was explained by a few of us in detail) he was quite correct in calling it a bunch of, "BS."

I've always hated that term...... ;)

Sorry, both of my favorite AL teams are Sox.:eek:

Let me say this first, I am not defending Ken Harrelson's rant because it was a little too much for me. But I honestly don't think he saw Eddie Rap signal obstruction when it happened. I did when they showed the camera shot from over the third base dugout but I guarantee few if any saw the signal, including the Hawk. Furthermore, since Hawk never saw the original signal, he had absolutely no idea why runners were placed after the outs had been made.

Some of the confusion was dictated by the Type B obstruction and some as others have pointed out was dictated by the umpires not killing the play when the obstructed runner was caught in a rundown. All in all it was a mess.


Lawrence

Well, I was watching on WGN with Kaper and Brenly. Ast first they didn't understand what was going on but as the umpires confered and they showed the replay, Brenly picked up the obstuction call right away. Actually, Rap and the third base umpire both signaled for the obstruction. At first, Brenly thought that they would still call Pie out since he wasn't obstructed, but after the umpires made the ruiling, they pulled out the rulebook and found the rule and explained it very well on the broadcast.

The part of the clip that is missed is that during the break between innings, Hawk came over to the Cubs broadcast booth and Brenly had to explain to him what happened.

The umpires actually did a pretty good job. The play cannot be over until the obstructed runner is denied the base he would have achieved had there been no obstruction. That the play continued after that is not to say the umpires were not trying to stop it.

And the media did a nice job of explaining it, Hawk Harrelson excepted:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....s-sports-print

Of course the umpires were not trying to stop it. Heck, one of the umpires who called the obstruction later made a subsequent out call after the rundown on R2 between third and home. The other umpire who called the obstruction was in position to make a call on the subsequent rundown of the BR between first and second. That was horrible, in my opinion. It showed a lack of knowledge of the rule. Joe West saved the day, I think.

And the media got the explanation right only because they had Rich Garcia and West to explain it all to them, as they should.

Played with McCarver, bottom line, he's a twat.

Nothing is more telling about the character of a person than his willingness to offer idiotic comments about nothing.

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Played with McCarver, bottom line, he's a twat.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>I keep looking at your remark and I don't get your point. Did you not read the thread? McCarver's name was mentioned several times. I commented as to Tim's personality. Do you know him personally? If so, then maybe you have a different opinion. Many do, I don't.

McCarver was part of this discussion and since he played with the man I think the comments are relevant.

If only I had on field experience with him but moving along...

McCarver was a prodigy, caught Legion ball in the 7th grade, was part of a HS and Summer team, several players who went on to the Cards, the Gagliano Bros. Mike Roose, Mike Shannon, others. I'll cut him slack, he was a Stud's Stud in all sports.
Tim was what, 20?, and catching in th WS? His head was helium filled from birth, add all that early success, as I said I will cut him slack.

But he's still a twat.

Correction, Roose went to Tulane although he was drafted. #2, he was an All-American there.

Not that this is anything new, but while watching this video I found myself wanting to punch hawk harrelson through the computer screen...

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Pitch FX tells me Jeff had a pretty decent night...

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Why in the world did you attach this to a 3 year old thread?

because i hate hawk harrelson...

In another game of that series, there was a strikeout of the batter and R1 was running. The batter's swing carried him over the plate. When I saw it live I thought man that's got to be close to INT. Sure enough, they banged him for INT - double play.

Hawk said.. "that's an iffy, iffy call." Silly monkeys!

Edit: Didn't realize this was an old, old thread. My fault.

I saw a clip of Ozzie getting dumped early in a game the other night. I thought it said it was in the 1st inning...thanks for the video.

I'm a lifelong Sox fan and I don't like Hawk either.

A couple days after the conclusion of the Cubs-Sox series at the end of June, Hawk pleaded with Major League Baseball to investigate its umpires. Why? Because Harrelson said that the umpires are conspiring against the White Sox and Ozzie Guillen following the Mark Buehrle-Joe West-Ozzie Guillen balk ejection incident last month.

Recall that West called a balk on Buehrle, and after the second one, West ejected Mark and Ozzie. The incident led to MLB fining Buehrle, Guillen, and West. Well, Ken Harrelson is convinced that because of this, MLB Umpires have gotten together to conspire against Ozzie and the Sox.

OK, Hawk. Whatever you say. :rolleyes:

A tie does go to the runner.

The umpire's argument is that there can't actually be a tie.

In retrospect, he obviously would have been better off not commenting on the play, however, I say give the guy a break. When is the last time you, as an umpire, witnissed a play unfold in this manner?

Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent,...Proverbs 17:28