What Fakes Are Legal in FED?
 

Which of the following are legal in FED:

1. R1 running to 2nd - F6 holds his hands up signaling "foul ball" and to "hold up". R1 stops , retreats, is tagged out.

2. R1 stealing, BR hits fly ball to outfield, F6 acts as if he is fielding the groundball causing R1 to slide into 2nd.

3. R1 R3. R1 stealing 2nd base. F6 cuts off throw from F2. F4 , covering 2nd, acts as if the throw was not cut off . R1 slides into 2nd.

4. "Miami fake pickoff" play.

5. R1 stealing. BR hits shot to RF. F6 acts as if he's camping under the popup. R1 retreats to F3. No one said "pop up" "get back", etc.

cshs81,

1. Not sure - I could see treating this one as Obstruction.

2. Legal.

3. Legal.

4. Legal

5. Legal.

JM

This would depend on how F4 acts as if the throw was not cut off.

What is the "Miami fake pickoff" play?

Bob

Pitcher steps off the rubber and fakes a throw to first complete with good follow through. First baseman, yells "damn" or something to that effect and acts as if the ball went over his head. He turns to run it down and idiot R1, with the blessing of his moron base coach, takes off for second. F1 then throws to second for the put-out.

cshs81
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What Fakes Are Legal in FED?



Coaches and Managers, and I would like this changed. I'm tired of dealing with these fakes. They come onto the field acting like they know what they are doing when the really don't have clue one.:D

I don't follow. What are they acting like they know? Legal vs illegal?

Whooooosh!

That was the sound of something going right over somebody's head!

It went right over it. I'm guessing it was a "shot" that I didn't catch.

And by this he means if F4 lays down a fake tag on R1, then he has obstruction in FED baseball.

I assume the rules are in place for safety. If so, how is any act I described legal if it results in a runner sliding? I would think example #2 would be illegal since it resulted in a player sliding when there was no play on him.

Any act of a fake tag results in a warning. Next offense results in an automatic ejection.

Got it. Am I correct that its for safety purposes? The thought being that having a player slide when he doesn't need to increases his chance of being injured?

How do you know the slide was a direct result of the deke? Players slide all the time when there's no play on them.

not that this has any bearing on its legality


Non-verbal, non-fake-tag decoys are legal in FED, in the Real World (tm).

If you meant that F4 faked a tag, you are right, it is illegal. If you meant that F4 pretended to catch the ball only, then you would be wrong, because that is not illegal.

Thanks, guys. Good info.

Let's call this Miami Too
 

The play I thought was Miami follows. R1 steals, F4 covers the bag facing the outfield. F6 or F8 run out to catch shallow fly ball thrown out there by the catcher. R1, thinking it was a pop-up, returns to 1B in attempt to re-touch. Defense manages to tag R1 before touching 1B. So did I make this up?

Which original Miami play helped them go on to win one of their National CWS Title?

FED 8-3-2 has a fake tag as obstruction and I can see it in certain cases.

Case book play 8.3.2 SITUATION B.

Case book play 8.3.2 SITUATION E.

Case book play 8.3.2 SITUATION J. (Would probably make the various versions of the Miami play illegal)

I thought the Miami play was at 2B. F1 turns and fakes a pickoff to 2B with R2 on base. F4and F6 dive toward each other behind the bag as if the ball was overthrown into CF, and F8 of course is running in like he is fielding the overthrow. R2 is thrown out advancing to 3B by F1 who still has the ball.

But I guess that is the stuff of legend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Hurricanes_baseball

For #3 if F4 fakes a tag he is guilty of obstruction and will receive a warning not to do this again, and be removed from the game if he does. R1 is awarded 2B on the obstruction, which he would have made it anyway since F6 cut off the throw.

I completely agree with DG and Garth's assertion that under FED, a fake tag would be illegal (and deemed Obstruction) were it to be part of the fielder's action in #3.

JM

P.S. And my recollection of the "Miami play" is as described by DG.

Heard about a play called "Rainbow" in which, with a runner stealing and obviously going to get the base, F2 throws the ball high into the air towards F4. F4 camps under it, everyone on the defense yells "UP!" trying to get R1 to retreat to 1st.

Obstruction of the verbal kind if the team yells "UP!"?? I would think so under FED.

Verbal obstruction under FED.

Click on his link and you'll find that it more resembles my description, which was based on a tape I have of the play.