Wow, even when I agree with you, you argue. I said that Joyce should have run Renteria for forearming Fontenot.

I criticize MLB umpires all the time. I don't give passes. I just don't think you can fault Wolf for tossing Lilly. That is what is in question, and I side with the umpire in this case. I don't blindly stand up for these guys all the time, just when I think they are right.

Did you not read my post from yesterday criticizing Rick Reed as a plate umpire? I asked if he was always this horrible, or just today.

The crew chief allowed an obviously intentional bean ball in the exact same location the day before and let it go.

Wolf is on record admitting he knew Lilly was going to retaliate and yet failed to give warnings.
If Wolf had kept his mouth shut and not told the world he knew so much there would be little to discuss.
It's because of his expressed prior knowledge, his failure to proactively prevent it and the precedent set by the crew chief that I feel gives much justification to finding fault

Maybe it's just me, but I occassionally see other pitchers track the flight of the pitch too.

Aims at Renteria?

Looks well pleased?



Come on...

Honestly, not one of your best efforts SDS, unless your are holding a fresh diploma from the Jim Wolf Mindreading Academy.

I agree it was probably intentional, but at his head? IMHO, I don't believe anyone would be going for a head shot.

I did think it was funny that ER said, "he's gonna throw at me, just wait," and POW! there it was under his chin :D

call the waaaaambulance
 

and everytime from here on when Renteria plays against the Cubs he's gonna tell the umpire :( "hey mr. umpire, i think that big bully out there is gonna fo the ball at me..(sniffle,sniffle, whimper, whine.):(

[QUOTE=SanDiegoSteve]4. I agree. Renteria should have been thrown out for this act of violence. Jim Joyce just looked the other way.

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Joyce didn't see it because he was far too close to the play. He have been on a proper position, he would have seen everything. Including the tag out.

And how did Renteria know that he was going to be hit? And how did Wolf know that the Cubs would try to retaliate? Because the Braves were allowed to INTENTIONALLY throw at Soriano and nothing was done except to give both teams warnings.

That is exactly how this situation should have been handled as well. Renteria is hit and same as the day before, both teams get warned and we play ball.

And please, if Tscheda thought what Hudson did the day before was unintentional, then why the need to immediately warm both teams? It was because he knew what everyone else did, Soriano hit three bombs and the Braves decided put one in his ear hole to send a message.

Well, if you hit 3 dingers in one game, you can expect some chin music on your 4th AB. That's not a surprise, and Soriano wasn't surprised.

Actually it wasn't until his 3rd AB after his 3rd home run.
What took them so long?

The didn't throw at Soriano until his first at bat on Saturday, the day after he hit the three dingers. And Renteria shouldn't have been suprised either when the Cubs threw at him on Sunday. He should have just taken it like Soriano instead of crying to the umpire before his at-bat.

I couldn't have said it better myself, Tee, especially your second paragraph. ;)