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njdevs00cup Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:20pm

Possession
 
I had a second baseman come across the bag and await the throw from the shortstop. While on the bag, the ball deflected off of his glove and lodged between his arm and his side. The ball was not moving and was pinned against his side. Does this constitute possession or does he have to have the ball in his glove or bare hand? There was no controversy, because he calmly grabbed the ball with his bare hand in plenty of time.

mcrowder Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:52pm

This is not possession.

njdevs00cup Tue Jun 05, 2007 01:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcrowder
This is not possession.

What constitutes possession, in this case?

Is it considered possession if the player has the ball pinned or trapped to his body with his glove or bare hand?

Thanks for the help! I've never seen this before and want to make sure I get it correct!

bob jenkins Tue Jun 05, 2007 01:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup
What constitutes possession, in this case?

Is it considered possession if the player has the ball pinned or trapped to his body with his glove or bare hand?

Thanks for the help! I've never seen this before and want to make sure I get it correct!

It needs to be grasped by the hand / glove. It can also be touching the body, of course, but cannot just be "pinned"

johnnyg08 Tue Jun 05, 2007 01:38pm

Yep...you'll probably see this most often at 1B in an attempted scoop...but of course you saw it at 2B also...

jkumpire Tue Jun 05, 2007 02:23pm

The question is easy to answer
 
Does he have possession of the ball?

Can he throw it, or switch it to his hand to throw it without doing anything else?

There's your answer.

bob jenkins Tue Jun 05, 2007 03:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkumpire
Does he have possession of the ball?

Can he throw it, or switch it to his hand to throw it without doing anything else?

There's your answer.

That second question doesn't apply. If I "trap" the ball in the crook of my left elbow, I can transfer it to my right hand to throw it just as easily as if I had caught the ball in the glove on my left hand.

johnnyg08 Tue Jun 05, 2007 04:24pm

correct and if the ball is trapped by F3 in the manner which Bob describes in post #7, you cannot call the BR out at 1B...

D-Man Tue Jun 05, 2007 06:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
That second question doesn't apply. If I "trap" the ball in the crook of my left elbow, I can transfer it to my right hand to throw it just as easily as if I had caught the ball in the glove on my left hand.

It can apply because once grabbed by the throwing hand, posession has ocurred. The fact that it was trapped by the elbow means nothing other than if it kept the ball from touching the ground (fence/umpire/offense, etc.),
an actual catch can still happen.

ozzy6900 Tue Jun 05, 2007 07:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup
I had a second baseman come across the bag and await the throw from the shortstop. While on the bag, the ball deflected off of his glove and lodged between his arm and his side. The ball was not moving and was pinned against his side. Does this constitute possession or does he have to have the ball in his glove or bare hand? There was no controversy, because he calmly grabbed the ball with his bare hand in plenty of time.

Hmmmmmm! A ball lodged between the player's arm and side would be concidered possession in football! How's that?

bob jenkins Tue Jun 05, 2007 08:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Man
It can apply because once grabbed by the throwing hand, posession has ocurred. The fact that it was trapped by the elbow means nothing other than if it kept the ball from touching the ground (fence/umpire/offense, etc.),
an actual catch can still happen.

I agree that "once grabbed" it becomes posession. that's not what the questions asked, so the question doesn't apply.

SanDiegoSteve Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:00pm

Oh Regan. . .
 
NOW THIS IS POSSESSION

http://www.retrocrush.com/scary/exhead1.jpg

LakeErieUmp Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:07pm

WOW Steve! You've found the first genuine balk to second base!!!

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jun 06, 2007 01:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeErieUmp
WOW Steve! You've found the first genuine balk to second base!!!

"IINIFLBTBTSB"

(It Is Not Impossible For Linda Blair To Balk To Second Base):)

mbyron Wed Jun 06, 2007 06:33am

Now, now, gents, we all know that turning the head to look at the runner does not constitute a balk!


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