Yes, lets.

mkolton - when you typed "drops ball on purpose", did you mean "drops ball on purpose"? Were there any other words that you typed for which you meant the opposite? When you typed fielder, did you really mean runner?

Why do people enjoy changing people's questions to fit their own perception instead of simply believing the facts presented in the question? Especially in a case like this where someone wants to change the meaning of a phrase to the opposite, so that a completely different ruling is in play?

Allow me to clarify.

If you want to use some sort of gauge for your definition of high, so be it. If you want to tell someone that the backstop is your gauge, that's not ok. You just say "In my opinion, the ball was hit high in the air", and that ends it.

No problem in letting him clarify but I don't think it much matters.
If F4 had time to get to the grass and wait for the ball(I'm not sure how much clearer that could be since the OP said he was "camped under") then this is textbook IFF.

What are the odds that the average fielder knows that dropping the ball on purpose means gloving it and then dropping it? Very few, in my experience. Therefore, until the OP is clarified, I will not jump to any conclusion except to say that it is premature to tell the poster that the dropped-ball rule should have applied.

I think the average 10 year old knows the difference between dropping something and letting it fall untouched. If I asked one, "why did you drop that, son?" and he said, "I didn't drop it, I never touched it!" that would be the answer I would expect. This applies to adults as well, BTW.

[QUOTE]Not totally true

Forget the word "infield" for a minute

here is the definition of a fly ball

Therefore while there is no difinitive heght requirement measured in feet, there is the term "high in the air" How high is "high" becomes umpire judgement.

Perhaps this was one of those "lofty" fly balls not a Line drive but a little "dinker" just above say the mound area.

Pete Booth

because it is coming from a coach who obviously doesn't know the difference between dropping a ball and allowing it to fall untouched. This is a had to be there situation and you are assuming that the player caught the ball and dropped on purpose.

This question is coming from a coach who is obviously thinks they lost because of the umpire and is going to explain the situation to make it sound like he got screwed.

First, nothing he said would indicate that he "obviously" does or doesn't know anything. He said "dropped the ball." I have only that to go on, not some imagined "obvious-ness." I'm only assuming a dropped ball because he said "dropped the ball on purpose." I would just think that even the sub-100 I.Q. coach would say "let the ball bounce on purpose" if that is what happened.

Second, he did not make it obvious that he "thinks" the umpire cost him the game. He does, however, indicate the umpire did indeed give him a bogus answer to why an infield fly was not called. Backstop height, my butt.

Third, any way you look at it here, we have the correct call. It is one of 3 calls:

1.) If the fielder let the ball fall untouched, we know that 6.05(l) is not the correct call. Then it would be either an IFF, or nothing.

2.) If the fielder intentionally dropped the ball (which is what was said, BTW), then 6.05(l) should have applied, and a dead ball, the batter declared out, and runners returned.

3.) If the ball was actually high enough to be called an IFF, then the Infield Fly Rule should have been called.

The only way the umpire could have avoided molesting Fido is if call #1 were indeed the case here, and not an IFF. Still, he gave an improper determination of how to judge an infield fly, and his use of that criteria could be a protestable rule interpretation, IMO.

What are the odds that the average coach knows what a 'force play' is?

The rules apply to players whether they know them or not.

Great Wrap up SDS
 

We are wrapped up, right?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I am amazed: :confused: :confused:

BASED UPON WHAT YOU WROTE, the umpire was wrong.

how high does a ball need to be for a infield fly?
 

I always say 7 meters or just under 23 feet. Is that incorrect?

The why does 6.05l include the approved ruling?


Agreed.


Excellent summary. I emphatically agree.

Meters? Did you say METERS?!? Where do you think you are, England?

I would have to say based on primary physics, if the ball fell untouched by the fielder and he was quickly able to coral the ball and get a double play, It was most likely a Fly ball. A "line drive" left untouched by a fielder who is "Camp{ed} UNDER" it most likely scoots past the fielder far enough to make a double play very difficult. Considering the ball should land 4-5 feet behind the location of the fielder, if it was a line drive.

Based on the description given this is an IFF or an "intentionally Dropped ball" one or the other. the result of the play most likely the same (apart for the live ball vs dead ball bit).