"I'm an umpire too!"
If a coach comes out to argue a call, and states he is an umpire, does that change (either positively or negatively) the way you interact with him? Do you cut him some slack since he is a fellow umpire? Is he on a shorter leash since he should know how to behave while arguing a call? Do you treat him no different than any other coach?
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For me...
In this situation, he's a coach, I'm the ump! I hope he dosen't want to discuss a judgement call! He should know better.
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If a coach that I don't know claims to be an umpire, I ignore it - not more slack, not less slack. 90% of the time, this means the coach has volunteered to help out on the bases in a 7U teeball game one time, 9 years ago.
But a coach discussing things properly that proves he has some level of rule knowledge is probably going to get a bit longer leash than someone who doesn't - and if this guy's experience as an umpire causes him to behave this way, then he'll get the longer leash. It may (or may not) be different if I KNOW they are an umpire. |
A good umpire wouldn't play the "do you know who I am?" card. Hence, he must be a bad umpire.
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As one of those who works both sides of the fence, I am surprised any umpire who coaches would even think of coming out to question a judgment call.
Since the umpires we use in my son's league are from the same association I belong to, I introduce myself as one. During pregame, if the ump is new to our league, I do help out with the ground rules and local rules if they are not familiar. When they talk about no arguing judgment calls, I always tell them "you'll get no complaints from me." There has been only one problem umpire. He came in with a chip on his shoulder and a holier than thou attitude and didn't want to play by our time limit rules. I had him two days later and he still had the same chip. I later found out he was a softball ump who was a fill in because they couldn't get anybody else. Luckily we don't have that problem this year. |
There are coaches who umpire and there are umpires who coach. Anybody who pulls this is a coach who umpires and should be granted the same consideration any Rat would get.
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What's the point behind your doing so? It serves no real purpose that I can think of. This practice is fairly common in most sports. And also fairly common is the reaction of most sports officials when they hear that tired old song; they think that "this goober is just doing that because he thinks that maybe I'll give him the close ones". All that you're doing is nothing but a poorly disguised effort at intimidation, and most experienced officials will recognize that immediately. If, as you say, being an umpire has no bearing as to how you comport yourself as a coach, then why bother mentioning it? Just coach. |
I had a game with two former association members coaching it. Gave one a warning for arguing balls and strikes, gave the other one of those up yours coach, deer in the headlight looks for wanting to argue a no call, contact at the plate, hard slide, and his catcher dropped the ball. He wanted obs. simply because there was contact. Guess that's why he's a former member. They're just another rat, treat em that way, they're just trying to intimidate you, hoping that will get them a call in their favor.
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[QUOTE=BigGuy]As one of those who works both sides of the fence, I am surprised any umpire who coaches would even think of coming out to question a judgment call.
QUOTE] Umps who coach normally know what they are doing. Thus, I have seen these individuals come out to argue a call and start out by saying "I need to wake up my team, so nothing against you but..." and then go off making a big show of it. I see no problem with this, and would not lose any respect for such an individual. |
Coaches that try to play the "I am an umpire/official too" line, I just tune them out. That loses all credibility with me when I hear this. I have even said, "Not all umpires/officials are that good." :D
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You could always respond with "Well, I'm a coach too, and I don't think I would ever argue that obvious of a call!";)
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