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I think a 'no call' would be much more fair and true to the intent of the rules. Personally I think Evans and J/R dropped the ball on this one. |
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I've been playing baseball all my life and I've never payed MLB a dime in royalties for the use of 'their game' They may be the accepted authority when it comes to rules and umpire mechanics but unless you were using "owners" in the loosest context possible, it is an absolute misstatement to say they are the owners of the game and rules. |
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For Real ?
Hands are part of the bat..... Feet are part of the base. :eek:
As Ricky Ricardo would say " Aye yai yai yai yai ". |
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I think this statement says it all. |
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An absolute mistatement? No, I stated what I meant. An incorrect statement? I suppose it depends on what is meant when one says "baseball." As far as the rules, there is not doubt to whom they belong. Check your rule book for under whose permission they are published. Think it's a coincidence that Sporting News stopped publishing the rulebook when MLB decided to publish it? Do you think the rules are in public domain? Trying printing and selling them. BTW: If you've been purchasing rule books, you've paid MLB more than a dime in "royalties." |
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If you think this started with Evans and J/R you've lost sight of the ball. |
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The runner already knows damned well whether or not he missed the base. To make no declaration at all on the play alerts the defense that there's a potential appeal. All plays on a runner require a call of some kind. Since the runner is safe until properly appealed this is the only mechanic that wouldn't have us playing the 10th man on defense and alerting the rest of the defense that something is amiss on the play. Tim. |
Well put, Tim.
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Well put, Paul.
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Let's Be Careful here
I beleive like almost everyone else here that the safe call is the proper call.
But we have to remember that most guys who do Baseball these days on the HS level use FED more than anyother rule set, and FED has made a mess of this interp. Further, in their embarassment of an Umpire's Manual (though it is getting better) and a Case Book that is not as good as it should be, it gives the average FED ump no guidence on this play. This is one time where if FED would add the right interp. and mechanic for this play, the issue is understood and called uniformly. The guys in this poster's association are not on the same level of understanding as most of us who are on this board. They are closer to the level of most HS umpires who have no clue about the subtle nuances of calling the game, and FED needs to help them learn what we know. Most HS umpires I know would fight you tooth and nail on this mechanic because it is counter-intuitive to what they have known about the rules of baseball. To prove it, if you try to tell them you make a safe call, the first response would most likely be: "Then why don't we make a safe call when the runner comes home and misses the plate?" We just have too many FED guys who are ignorant of finer points of umpiring. |
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PS - if you've been playing any kind of ORGANIZED baseball, then eventually, some of your dimes have made their way into MLB pockets. Check your rulebooks, equipment, etc. |
Did you only do FED during the brief but ill-fated "Accidental Appeal" period?
Yes. Actually, a more precise term might be "accidental force" (or, for purists, "accidental force or before-the-BR-reaches 1B" period). I'm glad Fed dumped that rule. It was an odd exception to OBR. The J/R explanation simply reinforces what had long been practice in OBR. In MLB, the play does not occur often, but if you watch enough games, you'll see it. Most people who frequent this board have seen MLB players beat the throw but miss 1B, and they are routinely called safe until the appeal, which incidentally has to be a tag as long as the runner has simply overrun. In a Phillies' game a few years ago, the BR beat the throw but stepped over the bag and overran several yards. F3 had left the bag after he caught the throw, but he then quickly returned to step on 1B and hold the ball up for the umpire to see. Seemed like an appeal to me. No call. Then he ran and tagged the returning runner. Out. |
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If the runner had already returned to first however, would they have called him safe? |
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