Drop third strike
 

Seen this tonight , Drop third strike, Batter/runner starts to first, umpire calls him out. runner turns and heads to dugout, coach yells for him to run to first, umpire again calls him out. coach ask for time to ask umpire why he is out. coach was told the runner abandond the play so he was out. the runner didnot head for the dug out until the umpire had already called him out. Just wanted to know if the umpire blew this call by calling him out before he was tagged or the catcher threw to first

Need more info. Runners on base? Number of outs? Paint the picture for us please.

Jim

tmuckel,

In order for anyone to properly answer your question, he would have to know:

1. What rules the game was being played under (and possibly what year of publication )?

2. How many outs were there?

3. Depending on the answer to #2, we might like to know if there was a runner on 1B at the TOP.

4. Where, in the umpire's judgement, was the Batter(/Runner?) at the point in time that the Umpire called him out (I mean the first time)?

Regardless of the answer to these questions, the umpire was at least "technically" incorrect; though it is possible that the Batter(/Runner?) being called "Out!" was the proper call.

What brings you here with this question?

JM

I'd be curious to know why you need to know why the Q is asked? That has no relevance to the sich.

Because we have been bombarded with 'scorekeeping' questions that have little relevance to umpiring.

One out
 

One out, nobody on first. I have been umpiring High School ball in michigan for six years, this year I am coaching in indiana. This happened at my game last night. I know what I think the call should of been but I just wanted to check with fellow umpires.

Because there was no real situation presented is most likely the reason John asked the question.


Tim.

tmuckel,

As described, the umpire's ruling was completely incorrect. With 1B unoccupied, the Batter has become a runner and should not have been called out unless, as Steven Tyler said, he entered the dugout without trying to reach 1B.

Under FED rules protests are only allowed "by state adoption". I believe Indiana has chosen to NOT allow protests. As the manager, your only recourse in this situation would have been to appeal to the umpire to correct his erroneous ruling.

FED 7-4-1b1

JM

Thanks, I just wanted to make sure that after he would not discuss this with me, that I told him to check his rule book after the game, I was not out of line. or maybe I was...:D

tmuckel -

my experience is that people like this will "not check their rule book". Being young, i'm not in a position to yell at people in the parking lot. but this guy needs to be told more than "look at your rulebook".

perhaps he wasn't sure it hit the dirt? at least i'm hoping...

yet since I'm only 20 I can't work FED games for my association... but this clown gets games.