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LMan Wed Apr 25, 2007 09:47pm

That Seems Like A Good Idea. I Like Reliable Persons.

ncump7 Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:55pm

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As far as talking to the parent I had ejected, he seemed to have calmed down and seemed to be reasonable. I told him I would answer his questions as I changed clothes. I realize now, that was a mistake. Sometimes, I think I try to be too nice. As he began to talk, he began to get madder and madder. He seemed pretty unstable and began to rant. He recalled several situations that occurred in the game which he viewed very differently than I did. By the time I got my pants on, I got in my truck and left him there. This was the first time anything like that has happened. Last night, at a Varsity doubleheader, there was an officer there who met us when we arrived and escorted us to our car when it was over. I think eventually, all schools will be required to provide security at games. We are told in basketball to not start a varsity game if there is not a security officer there. Baseball will soon have to do the same.

mcrowder Thu Apr 26, 2007 07:53am

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Originally Posted by ncump7
On Monday, at a middle school game, I had to eject a parent who was standing behind the screen yelling and pointing at me. I told the home coach we would not continue the game until school administrators escorted him from the game. It only took less than a minute before an assistant principal led him out. After the game, he was standing behind my truck waiting for me in the parking lot. He said he had a couple of questions, so I told him to go ahead while I changed clothes. As he talked, he became more upset. At one point, I picked up my mask as he came within 10 feet of me. I really thought I might have to use it on him. He backed off, I got in my truck and left. As of right now, my assignor is talking with the school superintendent in charge of athletics to determine what happens next. Some counties I work in have officers at every game, even middle school. I do not know how this will turn out, but I am considering giving up middle school games.:mad:

This is a good way to get yourself into some real trouble. Don't EVER discuss things with a fan in the parking lot. ESPECIALLY one you tossed.

UMP25 Thu Apr 26, 2007 09:00am

Ditch the cell phone, carry a Glock. Much more effective. :D

Rcichon Thu Apr 26, 2007 09:04pm

I would reconsider doing games for a League/Assoc. where I felt threatened enuff to have to carry a cell into the game. That said, if it's a small enuff cell, shut down, no one knows you have it but you.

And as for talking to a parent waiting on me: the moment I see him/her waiting, I turn on my heel and get an admin/official. That parent is no longer just an irate parent but is stalking you and needs a short ride to a small cubicle with some pretty bracelets on.

All the good intention of defusing him/her by listening will not work!

JMHO

IceGator8 Fri Apr 27, 2007 02:27am

I did high school ball for over ten years and never carried a phone. However due to a job change I had to quit doing high school ball (it starts too early in the afternoon). I'm also required by my employer to carry my phone at all times.

These days I'm doing Babe Ruth and Pony baseball. My phone is with me at all times. I have a special slot in my ball bag that fits it perfectly. My phone is set to vibrate and cannot be heard. My employers emergency communcation happens via text message so about twice a season I'll get a text to which I must respond. I respond via text which takes about ten seconds between innings.

My association has a strict no phone on field policy. However, they understand my situation and I have an exemption. They have trouble covering all the games as it is and aren't dumb enough to argue over such a piddly thing. I also do not take advantage of the situation. Things are working out great and I've been invited to umpire the regionals two years running.

Having a phone with me has come in handy on several occasions. It's been used to call cops when there wasn't any other security nearby to handle a situation and also call the paramedic a couple of times. I also like the fact that I can keep game time on my phone instead of carrying a watch.

Referee Fri Apr 27, 2007 09:43am

Cell phones??? :confused: :eek: :cool:

Just when you think you've seen it all?

During a semi pro game last Sunday... The first baseman is on the phone while holding a runner on the base...

I empathized with the personal issues but had to relieve him of his duties in favor of someone else on the bench... not before he uttered many expletive deleteds in English & Spanish at me...

Am I missing something in all of this nonsense???

Welpe Tue May 01, 2007 03:46am

Tuss, do you have supervisors on site? The reason I ask is that I used to be an intramural official and am now a supervisor for the same intramural program. One of our main roles as a supervisor is to help maintain order throughout the games. Now granted, there's only so much we can do but having a presence outside of the on-field officials most certainly helps.

Our intramural teams are kept on a pretty tight leash and for the most part, they know we don't have any problem removing a team from the league if there are major problems. If things go south on-site, we have the ability to contact the University Police department and their response times are usually pretty quick.

If you do not feel there is an adequate supervisor presence, that is a concern you need to share with the manager(s) of your intramural program. If you don't have the upper level support, I'd strongly consider no longer working intramural games.

As a side note, it's amazing how worked up some people get over a lousy t-shirt.

LMan Tue May 01, 2007 01:23pm

..when enough umpires (or at least reasonably-competent umpires) quit taking these high-risk games, then something gets done. But not before then.

Umpires who have close calls, near-death experiences and yet still continue to take games in those situations for the piddly fees they pay, well..... *shrug*

TussAgee11 Tue May 01, 2007 06:12pm

we have a "supervisor" on site, but it is a student who just keeps the score and lineups. Sometimes there will be an adult presence out on the field, but not often.

I spoke with the head of our intramurals department about this (he is a very good basketball official and is the scorekeeper for varsity games). He told me some stories about his brothers and uncles, and even himself that shocked me, from minor to serious assult. He reminded me of the 2 idiots that attacked the umpire in Kansas City several years back. His overall response: there will always be idiots, be ready to get the hell out of there at any point, especially at the intramural level. You don't think an NBA ref is worried about someone slugging him over the head from behind when he walks the baseline?

While not being too supportive, he has handed these individulals over to the judicial board for action, and supports our game decisions.


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