Situation
 

I'm U3. Runner on second. Pitcher pitches the ball which the catcher misses but throws down to third to get the runner who is stealing. I call "out" as I seen a tag on R2 before before he got to the bag. 3B coach decides he is going to have a word about it, then one of the coaches on the offensive team decides he is going to to yell at me from the third base dugout; yelling "You missed that call, you know it, and everyone else here knows it." I stay at my position at 3B.

Would you do anything in that situation?

I'd respond thus:

"You're wrong, coach. Not everyone. The third baseman says it was the right call."

Actually (depending on factors like tone of voice and anything else said earlier in the game), if that's all they said, I'd probably let it go. But if they kept yapping . . .

Based on your previous posts/rants, probably the opposite of whatever you did in the situation.

Real umpires don't use an indicator on the bases. One is enough.

yelling "You missed that call, you know it, and everyone else here knows it."

Gone.

Don't let anyone yell the "y" word at you from across the diamond. If you ignore that you've lost control of the game, it's fair game on YOU for the rest of the game. Hike up them Fechheimers, and git 'er done.

That being said, how do basketball refs put up with the nonsense that they do?

Simple...you "T" 'em up in basketball, which provides a penalty to the offending coach's team without going to the ejection step immediately. IMO, the dugout restriction is pretty lame, but there's not much else to do in baseball (i.e. you can't award a run for a hypothetical "T" in baseball) besides tossing the coach. Works for me, though. :D

YGBSM? So someone says to you, "You missed that call," and your response is to eject them because they said "you?" :eek:

That's rich.... you would definitely receive the red@$$ award around here.

Wow - that seems a bit much. Put away the rabbit ears, hoss.

I would not have heard the comments - chatter coming from someone venting in the dugout has to be EXTREMELY long, or EXTREMELY offensive to even get my attention. (Now have this same coach run out on to the field yelling that, and I agree ... buh bye coach).

Well, coming from the third base dugout, and I'm U3, D position.

Once again, you are missing the point.

Are you misunderstanding on purpose?

What I'm saying is --- IGNORE it. I'm not saying that my ears are physically incapable of interpreting sound from that distance... I'm saying I don't HEAR it, unless it's 20x more out of hand than what you described. The advice you got above to eject for this will lead to a short career with little advancement.

So ... what did you do when actually faced with this? Did you learn from what you've been reading here over the past 3 months, and leave the rabbit ears in the trunk? Or did you make the situation worse and follow Kyle's advice?

Ok Dan... I didn't answer your question directly, so here it is:

This is one of those times that, as an umpire, you know somebody's gonna disagree with your call. As long as the offending party is not "all up in your grill" (is that how it goes?), let it slide. Comments from the dugout unless they're extreamly offensive, should go un-noticed by you. It doesn't matter if your U6 in the outfield, they just want to have the last word, let em. Remember, everyone at the ballpark has an opinion, but your's is the only one that counts.

Relax- have fun.

I agree if the word "you" is preceded by "fu*k". If it isn't, then lighten up.

You missed that call is an opinion. You suck is also an opinion but way more personal and will get anyone tossed. I am assuming one of these two coaches is the head coach and the other one an assistant. It is not clear which one, but either way I ignore the comment from the bench. If the 3B coach is the head coach I will let him get his say in, explain what I saw and move on with the game. If he is an assistant he doesn't get that leeway.

Or anteceded by "suck.":)

That sentence, screamed as it was in the video, is an ejection. Not because of the word "you" but because of the obnoxious nature of the rest of it.

SP softball umpires only survive in these leagues one way. Have a hair trigger and eject anyone that even looks at you funny. Otherwise, you get what we have on the video.

I tried doing this back when I was a younger umpire and I just realized I'd rather stay home than do this crap. Of course I feel the same way about ALL softball now.

noone answers the question
 

you guys need to get a life....you argue like women and coaches and than never address the original question that started the thread.....lol

I'm sorry, who are you again? We once had a poster named clips2, but he left and said he wasn't coming back. To which we all said, "AMEN!":(

Uh, Rich ... what are you referring to? I see no video in this thread, and was answering LLDan's OP. You referring to something else?

I'm pretty sure I answered it pretty directly, and answered his follow up as well. You read English? (PS - 'LOL' on the end of your own lame joke is pretty absurd - you LOL OTHER people's jokes if you think they are funny.)

I'd give him a glare or maybe a verbal b4 ejecting him next time.

LOL






;)

I think he was talking about the three videos posted under the thread "Absolutely Disgusting".

I once had a coach tell me that I was "ruining this game for the kids", when I was simply enforcing a rule that was necessary to call (automatic end of continuous play at a young level so that the kids don't overthrow to the point that every batter gets a homerun). I didn't toss him, but should have as that's a personal comment and I take it as an insult that he would say that.

I'd probably just continue to stare at him until PU signaled "play".

Then on with the game. Normally a glare will either a) get him to shut up because he feels a threat to his existence in the park or b) get him to be 1) personal 2) profane 3) prolonged

Either way we get a solution to the problem :)

Edited a couple minutes after my post (after thinking about it some more):

I would look away at first and not have rabbit ears. If I felt he was getting more than just an initial reaction or opinion in there, and really yelling at ME, then I'd probably start my glare.

Edited a couple minutes after as well because I spelled "Edited" "Editted"

"You missed that call, you know it, and everyone else here knows it."


If this yahoo is yelling this, as indicated in the OP, and this yelling can be clearly heard by the fans, he's trying to show me up and he is gone.

This goes beyond a "you missed that one" or "are you sure about that last call" or "that was bad call."

The combination of the yelling and the accusation equal an early exit.

I think that if the "y word" was and had been repeatedly used throughout the game, that would warrant an ejection. But not the first or second time. If it is something like "you #$%& suck" or something to that effect, then it is different, and probably doesnt call for an ejection.

Huh??
 

Say what? Don't get what you are trying to say ... when the coach says "you" he's asking for an ejection period.

Thanks
David

How about if he says, "You need a drink of water, blue?"

Do you run him then? ;)

well you asked
 

No, but I'm watching closely to see what he's put in my water ...:D

Never, never trust a coach, period!;)

Thanks
David

If coaches and players didn't lie and cheat, they wouldn't need umpires.

Point well taken. Especially the trust issue.;)