boyinnblue24
 

Boy you can really jump on on someone who you think is young and inexperienced. Glad I am not one. Am new to board but have over 17 yr experience. I can sympathize with this young lad as I am the assigner in my area with 60+ umps , the majority of which are teenagers. How about laying off some ??

Ump29, are you addressing this to an individual or the members of this forum in general?

To any and all who have jumped all over him.

So....you're saying you want us to jump on you instead, huh?:D

I jumped all over him at first, not because he is young, but because of the way he came off at first. He is 16, and claimed to have "a lot" of experience, which is just not really possible. Since then, he and I have shared many friendly PMs, and he understands why he got dumped on now, and everything is fine. So, why do you want to keep it going, after it has all pretty much settled down?

Tee, frankly boyinblue24 is like most of us where at that age. We are all far different umpires at our ages then we were then. I know I wish I had someone like you to offer me sage advice when I was in my mid 20's and just starting out.

Another important point. Most of us who improve year after year, even in our AARP years subcribe to the theory of listen, watch, learn...before we speak.

Tim, I wasn't responding to your post, I was responding to Ump29. I know you weren't piling on. I was posting at the same time you were, and hadn't read yours yet.

No one is jumping on any new poster because of age or experience. Several people jump on new posters because of attitude and assumptions.

What happens next will determine whether or not littleboyblue actually learns something about umpiring.

For example:

There were two young umpires who came to the internet. They both had attitude and said some really stupid stuff. They both got jumped by 40 umpires.

One decided to read more than write. The other continued to spout off on things of which he was ignorant.

One licked his wounds and worked on learning from those who jumped him. The other attacked would be mentors.

One did his homework and worked on a professional, confident
presence. The other customized his uniform and wore double wrist bands because they looked "cool."

One became near expert in his rules knowledge and mechanics. The other continues to argue when poster attempt to correct him.

One graduated as an Honor Grad at Evans and will be attending PBUC this March. The other still whines that he is being picked on.

We're waiting to see which of these two young umpires Little Boy Blue decides to emulate.

There are way too many references to "piling on" for a message board of predominantly males such as this......;)

yuck...yuck...yuck...yuck.

I've never had any problems with Boyinblue. I've taken s*** from a lot of veterans over the past for no good reason, and I doubt he has done anything to deserve it either. What seems like arguing to the paranoid posters on here is actually discussing. What's wrong with coming up with an argument to a rule or idea, and then a counter argument and another counter argument? That is the way one gets to understand, rather than simply knowing.

There's nothing wrong with having an opinion and wanting to voice it. It becomes a problem here when an extrememly young umpire asks a question and then argues against the entire message board community that the answer he recieved is incorrect.

I don't know if you understand how ridiculous the statement that you've just made is. Maybe you know it though.


Tim.

Are you serious?

So, you think that if one asks a question and gets the correct answer it is then perfectly normal to argue and present a "counter" to the correct answer, get the correct answer again, argue again, get the correct answer again and then argue again?

Where hell do you come from? Oh, that's right, Canada.

God Save the Queen.

What I am saying is that it doesn't hurt to present your arguments, even when you know they're wrong. That helps to give one a deeper understanding of the game, verify that the arguments are correct, and understand why something is a certain way.

To be honest though I don't know what went on, but I don't think it should be taken so sensitively if someone is politely arguing.

That's ridiculous. All that does is:
1) Piss off people who have taken the time to post a <b>correct</b> answer and maybe look up the accompanying rules citations also.
2) Totally confuse other new officials or casual fans(example--me) reading the forum.

You'd be much better off going into more detail as to why the answers given were correct.

Arguing when you know you are wrong is just plain stoopid in a forum of this type.

if you KNOW your arguments are wrong, why would you argue them? like JR said, it just confuses people and makes you look like the north end of a south bound donkey.

if you want a deeper understanding of your wrong statement, instead of stating it as fact, ask "why is this (my point/argument) wrong?" bam! there's your deeper understanding. ask more- tell less. put your incorrect statement in a form of a question instead of aruging a wrong statement as fact. arguing a wrong statement just makes you look incredibly dumb.

here's a little something to try- any time you give advice on any forum, accompany it with a rule citation, casebook citation, or interpretation. therefore, you have some substance to any argument. Some cases the rulebook doesn't cut it since it's not detailed enough, that's when pro interps and pro school training and guys with connections will fill us in (see: Tim_C, GarthB, lawump).

From my experience as a parent and a teacher, I can tell you that that is what teens do.

However, when I was training youth umpires, including my two sons, I taught them that on the field, they were not "youth" or "youthful" umpires...they were umpires. The teen characteristics had to stay off the field...something our new young friend should learn quickly.

Wow.

According to your stats at the time of this post:

canadaump6
Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 8

...you only have two opportunities left to have 20% of your posts make any sense at all.

I will probably get accussed of spouting 'venom,' as he did on the umpire.org forum, but please do not associate his jibberish as grounds for the quality of officiating in Canada. There is a tremendous number of excellent officials in Canada, and the game of baseball is on the rise. After all we did beat the U.S in the WBC.

Canadaump6, you'll probably try to jump all over me again, but I once again find it necessary to offer the advice, "read more, post less."

Take it as you will.

:cool:

The remark was made half in jest. I know some good Canadian umpires...mostly from eastern Canada, though...and I know that some good recent grads from Evans' Academy are from Canada. As with any area there will be the good, the bad and the canadaump6.

Upon further review, I'd have to say that you do, indeed, show great future promise. As a coach.

Tim,

I just PMd BIB and clued him in about "dumbdrum."

I've got my fire extinguishing crankin' today.:)

Boyinblue is trying to apologize to you, but it hasn't seemed to take so far!

Sorry Tim, the answer is 3. They are separate people.

Then the 3 of them must be on the phone together because their posts are interchangeable! They must be doing the Vulcan Mind Meld with each other!
:D :D :D :confused: :confused: :confused:

It's entirely possible that our old friend "DudeinBlue" has been reincarnated as at least one of these individuals.


Tim.

Ozzy, what, are you out of your Vulcan mind?:D

Ya think ?

I've always been partial to the theory that the ones who constantly accuse others of being trolls and sockpuppets are speaking from, shall we say, a guilty conscience.

Just ask your 3 questions, and get back under your bridge!:D

First of all I would like to thank DaveHensely and boyinblue for bringing some decency to this board. As good as some of the veteran umpires on here probably are, they seem to have lost any sense of decency and respect. It's not that hard; treat other people well.

Secondly, I often wonder what some people are doing on these forums in the first place. Not to mention any names in particular, but there are some people who I have found contribute nothing to discussions, other than flaming and calling people trolls. It's an ongoing thing, some posters just want to start trouble.

And regarding the people who question my abilities as an umpire without seeing me doing a game, I plan on having someone videotape parts of the games I do (if baseball season would ever start here in Canada), and you guys can give constructive criticism. I have a feeling you'll be a bit surprised by the quality with which I can call a ballgame. Stay tuned.

Aren't moderators supposed to be cutting down on flaming, rather than adding fuel to the fire?

What do you mean jump all over you again? I never said anything to you in the first place. YOU are the one assuming that I am a bad umpire even though you've never seen me on a ball diamond.

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Truthfully, have you ever been on a ball diamond as an umpire?

I'm sure that I'm not just speaking for myself when I say that it will be really 'swell' to finally see the worlds greatest umpire troll, no wait, I meant to say internet umpire at work. I will stay tuned, sitting by my computer waiting for you video. Hurry please........

He's now 0 for 11....:)

1) I know a lot of users who post on here from umpire.org.
2) And I respect all of you for starting this message board.
3) I think I'm a 19 year old umpire giving my opinion on the cyber-bullying that goes on here.
4) What is wrong with the way the moderators do things there? They don't put up with people sitting behind a computer screen to insult other people. By the way, they are actually pretty lenient over there.
I have been reading the posts. Stuff about checked swing in the NCAA, first baseman interference on batter, clearing the bat; I've read that.
5) If Bigump welcomes me there, I will gladly sign up. Hopefully they give email notifications after another post has been made in any thread you posted in.
6) You complain about me posting too much and not taking the time to read, but have forgotten one fact: there is no way to count how many threads someone has read. Keep that in mind, because I have been reading other posts.
7) 0 out of 12 of my posts don't make sense to you? Then you certainly don't understand much for a high school teacher.

You don't need an invite. If you can find your way there, you're qualified to post. Hell, you might even be quafied to instruct. http://www.phpbbcity.com/forum/index...mforum=umptalk

And if it gives you motivation, know that I would never, ever post there.

I've forgotten no such thing. You make very evident the little amount of learning you've accomplished.

It helps that I have students eager to learn rather than shoot off their mouths and pretend to be something they are not.

Nobody is being a bully. Several people have attempted to help you and now are showing the frustration one gets when trying to teach a pig to sing.

I don't think that he is as quafied as you are, Garth.:rolleyes: :)

Ah. Something we can agree upon. At last.

Hell, he's probably not even as qualified as you.

(See, I can return a compliment.)

So did you miss my point, or just ignored it?

I will be happy to ask questions. If it doesn't offend anyone, I'll start a new thread once every two days. I just wish some of the older guys could cut down on the insults.

If you would stop running your mouth and look at why you are being insulted, it might just make some sense!

1. You have posted some of the most ridiculous comments on ABUA that I have ever seen.

2. You appear to not have a lot of practical experience (and your posts show this) but you won't listen to anyone! You argue for the sake of arguing!

3. Instead of figuring all this out yourself, you run for the moderators to protect you.

Well, you have the moderators fooled at ABUA but I don't think that is going to happen here. Again, we suggest that you go to eteamz. You will be welcomed there as a moderate expert with all the others. They speak your language there and will accept you with open arms. Please try it - PLEASE?
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I'm not going to edit this thread but I am going to add:

Jesus Christ! You are just a kid! I just saw your pictures on ABUA!

Alright, now I see why some of the posts went the way that they did; but that does not excuse the fact that you will not listen to those that have FAR more experience that yourself! So now I will rescind requesting you to go to eteamz as it will only ruin you. Start paying attention to what the veterans are telling you, stop trying to have the last word and for God's sake, grow another layer of skin, will ya!

Canadaump6

Starting new threads every other day is not the way to people to respect you.

You need to watch this video:

www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php

Ozzy:

I'm sorry I came across as full of myself over the ABUA and on this forum. I don't feel that is the way I am in everyday life. I should have read over a lot of my posts before posting them, especially when I first entered the forum; some of my earlier posts were pretty lame.

I sure did get off to a rough start at ABUA. But I have been posting a lot less, and reading a lot more over the past couple of months. I will try my best not to act arrogant or attempt to show anybody up, however if I end up becoming offensive or start sounding ridiculous, please let me know.

Wow, that's two out of three.



Can peace in the Mideast be far behind?

Sorry, Steve, the double smilies must have confused me. Upon reflection, I do believe I "get it."