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Traditional Mask vs HSH Mask Redux
I know every so often we go over the pros and cons of wearing a traditional catcher's mask versus the new hockey style helmet. I wanted to post a link to an article that may or may not have added valuable info to our puzzling questions.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns |
What does any of this have to do with one piece of equipment vs. another piece of equipment?
Not trying to be funny, there was nothing in the article that even talked about this issue. And if I am not mistaken Matheny used a helmet. At least there have been several catchers on the Cardinals that have worn helmets over the last few years. I cannot remember if Matheny was any different. The problem is nothing in the article even addressed why he had concussions and what caused them all. All we know is he had them after one time he was hit in the mask with a ball. Matheny could have received a concussion years ago (possibly undiagnosed) for some other reason than a foul ball hitting him in the helmet or mask for all we know. And it is assumed that when you have one concussion, you are susceptible to more concussions in the future. I know of catchers that got concussions for getting ran over at home plate. Also some people are more likely to get concussions than others. Concussions are caused by the brain hitting the walls of your skull, not just for getting hit in the head. Peace |
POE Concussions
Perhaps, after reading the following article, this post will help educate people about 1) the symptoms and 2) the severity of the condition.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2554254 Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Whether or not the mask is partly responsible is an issue. JRut has easily dismissed the possibility. Nothing conclusive has yet been established. Others may have a different perspective. This post may not have provided additional info. Time will tell. |
Do not miss represent my post or opinion. I said nothing in the article had anything to do with what caused Matheny's concussion. I think you need to learn to comprehend what you read, because it the article was just about Matheny retiring and blamed it on concussions. It did not say "why" he got concussions in the first place. Anyone with a college degree in social sciences or the hard sciences knows you need some evidence to make such a claim.
Personally I do not have a dog in this fight. I have never had a concussion. BTW, football players get them all the time and they have a helmet too. Here are 3 different quotes in the article. The last is not based on research, but a personal belief. Quote:
I guess my background where just writing a basic research paper, if I came up with this article as evidence of a position, I would get a big stinking F. Peace |
If you choose to switch to an HSM, be prepared to take a lot of flack from "Old Fart, Stick In The Mud" types.
But remember, the inability of the Dinosaur to Improve and Adapt, lead to it's demise ! Go for it. |
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To my knowledge, I don't recall ever having a concussion. To my knowlege I have never had a concussion. What were we talking about? I have never had a concussion or any brain damage from getting hit with a football.
Seriously, where whatever you want. You get hit in the head, it will hurt. I know that much. The worse hit I ever took was in football, and nothing so far in baseball has come close. Besides, the steel plate in my head picks up radio really well. |
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Besides, it wasn't just the dinosaurs that died out in this extinction. Whatever caused the death of the dinosaurs also caused the death of around 70% of all of the species on the Earth. |
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Yeah. I remember that. |
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Me, I don't like the HSM because it's TOO DAMN LOUD inside! Take a shot, and your ears ring for two innings. At sharp "FOUL!" is nearly painful. Plus there's less padding on the forehead. And it's hot. And then..... But that's just me, and I couldn't care less if anyone else wants to use one. It doesn't bother me in the least. And, I find it silly that it bugs some folks. Who cares? |
Guess I'll have to stay a dinosaur.
Long live the tar pits! |
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Now, Nick...I think you need to respect everyone's opinion on the subject of HSM's, not just the people who have tried them. You don't need to eat horse poop to know that it doesn't taste good, and some folks know without a doubt that they would not like the helmet either. You can't expect people to switch over, or even try the HSM. Their opinion is just as valid as those who have tried them. |
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Nobody has to respect anything, of course Rut. It is just impolite to only respect a certain group's opinion over another group's.
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No, the point of his post was that he only respects people's opinions who have actually tried an HSM. The point I'm making is that he should respect those who choose not to try them. Their opinion is just as important as anyone else's opinion. Just like my opinion here is just as valid and important as the point you are trying to make.
I didn't miss any point. Your point is your point, and you look at everything from your point of view. I have my own point I'm making here, and you keep arguing with me about what the damn point is. Whether he respects others' opinions is the issue here, for me, and only for me, apparently. I was not responding to your point to begin with. My post was separate from yours. All you had to say on the subject was that he would never learn. I had other things I felt like saying. Me, not you, OK? I mean, is it alright if I express my own opinions, make my own points? |
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Woof, woof, bow wow.:)
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Maybe he got hit in this mask???
http://photos.signonsandiego.com/gal...1C_pobj_MINI_1 I have seen several catchers hit with the HSM and have seen everything from nothing to the mask shattering (Rawlings Coolflo). |
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(LLDan ordered the DeLuxe Guards-w-Sweatband (c) option) Somehow, it just seems fitting. |
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If you feel that you need to wear a suit of armor to protect yourself from balls and bats, feel free to wear that. Just don't complain or try to qualify your decision with stupid citings. If you want to wear a HSM, go ahead and wear it! If you want to wear arm guards, go ahead and wear them!
Just don't preach as if you are the sole authority on the dingle-dangle or HSM! For just as you can come up with your feeble citings, there are many of us that have been umpiring better than a quarter of a century that have never had any of this stuff happen to us! |
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When someone who admits they have not tried an HSM, starts saying they don't like specific aspects of it, like; "It's too hot", or "It rings too loud when hit", is not speaking their opinion. They are merely repeating what someone else has said. Now, if they say they don't like the way it looks, OK, that is 'their' opinion. How many times did your parents make you taste something before they would listen to you whine about not liking it ? And for the record, I bet there are people out there who think Horse Poop tastes good (considering all the sicko's out there). Being someone who has actually tasted Horse Poop (bucked off into a pile of it as a kid), my expert opinion is that it tastes pretty bad ! :eek: |
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Last summer, I suffered heat stroke during a game, in which the temperature was upward of 106 degrees with extremely high humidity. It was the hottest day on record for that date, and it was a miserable day. I feel that the intense heat inside my helmet contributed significantly to the problem which I suffered. I feel that if I had been using a traditional mask, that I could have continued, as my face and head would have been much cooler. As it was, the director and some concerned tournament personnel insisted on pulling me off the field in the last of the 5th inning, in fear for my health and safety. That is the reason I am switching back to a regular mask and hat the next time I work a ballgame. |
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Because I didn't announce it to the world last year when it happened, that's why you didn't hear about it. I assure you that it did happen. You can ask Tim Haag is you need verification, as I did inform him after it happened. I didn't say that the helmet caused the heat exhaustion, just that it contributed to it. It was also the last game I worked last season, so you had better believe it affected me. Why is it that you can't just accept what people say, without having to refute it, or ask for hard evidence? Once again, poking your pinhead where it doesn't belong. |
PWL and SanDiego,
You are actually arguing over whether someone had a heat stoke/exhaustion? No wonder people have the opinion about umpires the way they do. MY GOD!!!! Peace |
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Loss of equilibrium, dizziness, strange behavior, disorientation, losing the count two or three times an inning, and unable to focus/concentrate on the game (which I was working solo, and hustling all over the field in those extreme conditions). I was well-hydrated, as I had brought several Gatorades, as well as a washrag soaking in ice cold water in my cooler. It was extremely hot that day. After removing me as umpire, a volunteer took over, and they forced me to stay in the snack bar with a fan blowing on me, and kept me drinking more Gatorade which they supplied. They would not let me leave and drive home for about an hour after I was removed. This was the first and only time I have ever had to be taken off the field due to heat, and only the third time I have been unable to finish a ball game. The other two occasions were due to extreme illness, and an injury. |
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Steve misquoted himself, or even better yet had a misunderstanding of the difference between heat exhaustion and heat stroke. Either way it's really none of your concern. Although, I must say you did an excellent job of plagiarizng the article on heat stroke from Medicine.net. I'll bet they appreciated it when you failed to quote them as the source of your annoying diatribe. http://www.medicinenet.com/heat_stroke/article.htm Tim. |
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Me, I like the darker wrapper of the maduro, but not the oscuro (a bit too oily for my taste). A Puros Indios maduro with a single malt is a nice combination.
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Enough with the drama
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It was their idea to pull me from the game. I protested, and wanted to hang in there to finish the game, with only two and a half innings remaining. They were adamant that I did not look so good, so I finally gave in to their pressure. I did not feel that paramedics were necessary. They drove me from the field to the snack bar (located beyond the CF fence) in a golf cart. I took off my gear, and sat with a big fan blowing on me for about an hour. I was ready to leave after 20 minutes, but they insisted on keeping me longer. |
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Sigh, so many questions, so little time...... |
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no, Jurassic, as I recall, you blew me for free.:p |
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I feel young again with all the "youngsters" now posting. Just trying to make them feel at home (outdated as it is) and trying to bring back some memories to the old timers out there.:D
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