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bluezebra Fri Oct 13, 2006 01:04pm
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
And the reason "dropped third strike" is wrong, is because it perpetuates the myth that it's okay for the catcher to catch the ball on a bounce, and consider that a "caught third strike." By saying "uncaught third strike" or "third strike not caught," you capture the true essense of what the rule implies, that the ball must be caught on the fly in those situations.
Excellent description.

Bob

LMan Fri Oct 13, 2006 01:15pm
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Originally Posted by bluezebra
And "dropped third strike" is also wrong. It's a "third strike not caught". And, just because these statements have been used for years, doesn't make them correct.

Bob
While you are absolutely correct, "good luck with that" on changing popular perception. This one will change right about the time a fair batted ball bounding over the LF/RF wall stops being a "ground rule double." :rolleyes:

SanDiegoSteve Fri Oct 13, 2006 01:26pm
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Originally Posted by LMan
This one will change right about the time a fair batted ball bounding over the LF/RF wall stops being a "ground rule double." :rolleyes:
What is the proper terminology for a fair batted ball bounding over the wall?:confused:

LakeErieUmp Fri Oct 13, 2006 01:26pm
Since "ground rule double" is in the OBR (7.10(b) Comment) we'll probably keep saying it.

mbyron Fri Oct 13, 2006 02:49pm
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Originally Posted by LakeErieUmp
Since "ground rule double" is in the OBR (7.10(b) Comment) we'll probably keep saying it.
7.10b has nothing to do with a fair ball that goes out of play. See 6.09e: batter is "entitled to advance two bases," which makes it a 2-base award.

The mere fact that the words "ground rule double" appear in OBR somewhere or other doesn't justify this usage.

LakeErieUmp Fri Oct 13, 2006 02:52pm
The fact that the OBR uses the term "ground rule double" doesn't mean there is any such thing? What else in the OBR do you ignore?

Tim C Fri Oct 13, 2006 03:12pm
Hehehehe,
 
Here is what I find extremly funny:

The same umpires that argue that we need to recognize "tradition and usage" when discussing rules argue the a ball that bounces over the fence is a "Rule Book Double" not a "Ground Rule Double."

My comment would be:

Through tradition this activity is commonly called a "Ground Rule Double."

It is, in fact, a Ground Rule Double.

Regards,

SanDiegoSteve Fri Oct 13, 2006 04:09pm
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Originally Posted by PWL
I would thus submit that a "two base award" would cover just about everything in this situation.
And I would thus submit that so would the term "ground rule double.":)

NFump Fri Oct 13, 2006 04:38pm
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Originally Posted by PWL
It just depends what park you're playing in. It hits the speakers or roof in some of those stadiums the ball is considered still in play when it hits the ground or it can be caught on the fly. I believe in some it some it is a home run. If I'm not mistaken you can look up the different ground rules on the MLB or team websites.
Hmmmmmmmm.:confused:

SanDiegoSteve Fri Oct 13, 2006 04:39pm
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Originally Posted by PWL
It just depends what park you're playing in. It hits the speakers or roof in some of those stadiums the ball is considered still in play when it hits the ground or it can be caught on the fly. I believe in some it some it is a home run. If I'm not mistaken you can look up the different ground rules on the MLB or team websites.
I agree completely, but if the result of the ground rule is a two-base award, the phrase 'ground rule double' can be interchanged for 'two-base award.' That was the only point I was trying to make.

umpduck11 Fri Oct 13, 2006 04:55pm
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
I agree completely, but if the result of the ground rule is a two-base award, the phrase 'ground rule double' can be interchanged for 'two-base award.' That was the only point I was trying to make.
So if F1 legally disengages the rubber, then throws an attempted pick-off
into the stands, the result is a ground-rule double ? :p

SanDiegoSteve Fri Oct 13, 2006 04:58pm
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Originally Posted by umpduck11
So if F1 legally disengages the rubber, then throws an attempted pick-off
into the stands, the result is a ground-rule double ? :p
Now you're just being silly. More like a goose than a duck!:)

NFump Fri Oct 13, 2006 05:02pm
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Originally Posted by umpduck11
So if F1 legally disengages the rubber, then throws an attempted pick-off
into the stands, the result is a ground-rule double ? :p
Only if he was trying to pick off the batter.:D

LakeErieUmp Fri Oct 13, 2006 06:49pm
AND now that we have batters stealing first base the pitcher better have a good pick-off move to the plate!

See how these posts can get back to the original topic if we're patient!

NFump Fri Oct 13, 2006 07:00pm
Way to bring it home Lake! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!


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