Do you guys?...jackets
 

Our umpires association gave us new umpiring jackets!!! woo hoo!!!! They are basically windbreakers with the lining in them with our logo on them. My question is, how many of you "tuck in" your jackets when you wear them? I plan on doing that as it doesnt look right if you dont, and its kinda ackward when you get in your bags for baseballs.

What? I'm not following what you're trying to say...

"Gave you jackets?" Isn't that precious!

I will answer the only part I understand. I do tuck my jacket in my pants with the jacket that I do own. The jacket is designed for that purpose so it is easy to tuck in. I own another jacket that I no longer wear anymore and I did not tuck it in my pants. It was not designed for that purpose so I would wear it like any other jacket.

Peace

999 out of 1000 umpires tuck their jackets in when working the plate, for that very reason: To have access to their ballbags. It also looks sharp.

Tee prefers the plate coat, and does not wear windbreaker styles on the plate. But if he did, I assure you, he would tuck it in.:)

me tucks in my jacket all the time.

so does old smokey......oooooops.

ps old smokey dont respond to this thread....its funny though

I would be the one out of one thousand, Steve. I cannot stand to have
my jacket tucked in, as I don't find it comfortable, nor do I feel that it
looks right. I will, however, fold the elastic "waist" band underneath the
jacket itself. That way, it does not impede my access to my ballbags.

I have worn a jacket on the plate not tucked. But since I bought a long sleeve shirt I have not worn a jacket. I have worn cold gear under the long sleeve shirt.

Maybe I will buy a plate coat someday.

I just went to the bedroom to see if my plate coat would tuck into my combo pants. No.

Look, if has an elastic waist band it's made to worn outside. Drawstrings can go either way. There are jackets that are made to be tucked in. Use those.

That said, it's America. Do what you want. (That is unless you have some sort of facist umpire association. Then you'll have to lock-step to what they say)

Okay, I was referring to jackets which are designed to tuck in. Those are any jacket which, if not tucked in, would hang down past the opening of the ball bags. If you have an elastic band, and it does not extend past the opening of the ball bags, then great, don't tuck it in. I just think that it looks much sharper behind the plate to have them tucked in.

I prefer to keep my balls warmer. Otherwise, I wouldn't be needing the jacket.:D

I pick 11th in the "when is someone going to make that reference" pool - where do I pick up my winnings!

I don't tuck on the bases - my pants are already too tight. I just spent $275 for a new plate coat, so I'll be wearing that on the dish. I'll also be wearing it at weddings and funerals until I've decided I've gotten my money's worth. ;)

what are you going to stuff in the ball bags of the plate coat? Flowers? :D

LLPA,
If you wear a plate coat, you don't wear ball bags. The ball bags are designed into the coat.

LL Dan -

Most MLB umpires tuck in their jackets, whether on the plate or the bases.

I know that, apparently you didnt read my statement. I was joking on JJ's comment about wearing the plate coat to weddings and funerals. Whats he gunna use the ball bags on the coat for, flowers?

On the bases, I do not tuck in my pullover. If I need a pullover at the plate, I put on my Plate Coat. Like Tee, I do not wear a pullover at the plate.

Those aren't jackets, they're smocks. They're ugly and funny looking.

If you guys haven't tried the +POS, lined long sleeved shirt, you haven't lived. It's a far better solution than the smock. Plus, as an extra added bonus, you can tuck them in.

Tucked In
 

Always tuck in your jacket, whether on the bases or plate. Looks more professional. You might want to invest in a long sleeve shirt for the plate in cold weather if you don't feel comfortable with a plate coat or pullover. Most college groups have guidelines as to uniforms and how they want them worn.

How can you even tuck in the Honig's K17 Jacket, for example? I mean whats the big deal? I know Honig's makes the K17-U than CAN be tucked in, but this all seems pretty silly.

Tucked In?
 

No, I guarantee that I look more streamlined, athletic and better looking if I leave the jacket OUT. I have a big belly and I'm already tucking in three layers of XXL shirts into my pants. Tucking in a jacket over a CP is like asking for ridicule before the game even starts. I get enuf of that here. ;)

Well, what good is a jacket tucked in if it starts raining? I prefer keeping the balls warm and dry. Cold light drizzle soaking down into my pants defeats the purpose of wearing the jacket. :p

wow, it was even funnier the second time around.

Look, if you "tuckee-innees" like the look and think that it makes you better umpires, by all means do it! Do not let us "outee-toutees" stop you! :D

For all the discussion - tuck it in or let it all hang out - who really cares? The only place that it really matters is at the plate. For those who wear pullovers at the plate, I agree that tucking in makes it easier for you to get to your ball bags - but you guys look like Italian Sausages and uncomfortable as hell! :eek:

Isn't that pretty much exactly what he said to begin with?

Long sleeve shirts NOT allowed here - have to wear pullover with elastic band around the bottom. You couldn't tuck it in if you tried (not that anyone would want to).

That's stupid. Do they make you weal Elbeco's and bow ties too?

As for the pullovers with banded bottom, I've seen several umpires tuck them in. They end up looking like 12 pounds of potatoes in a 10 pound bag. Oh the price of fashion.

guess you missed the HSMs-are-also-(defacto) banned-here discussion also :D It's a funny state, but its home :rolleyes:



I dont know why one would do that. They dont interfere with ball bags. If I saw an umpire tuck one in I think I would collapse with laughter.

Greg Brewer said it's ok to wear the HSM if you keep a hat
on underneath the mask. :rolleyes:

Greg Brewer, whoever he is, is clearly a moron.

Rich:
 

Greg Brewer is the head of the NFHS Baseball Rules Committee and the ultimate big wig in Alabama.

Regards,

Oh, well in that case, just as Rich said.

Alabama, huh? That explains it.

Anyway, tucking in a jacket does make one's appearance look more professional. A jacket that hangs down one's pants untucked just looks sloppy. Heavier guys have it worse, for they look like round slobs out there. Of course, when they make a big "safe" call, it's funnier than schit when their jacket pulls up nice and high, revealing to all the world their undergarments.

~sigh~
 

Ump 25 noted:

"Anyway, tucking in a jacket does make one's appearance look more professional. A jacket that hangs down one's pants untucked just looks sloppy. Heavier guys have it worse, for they look like round slobs out there. Of course, when they make a big "safe" call, it's funnier than schit when their jacket pulls up nice and high, revealing to all the world their undergarments."

This ties for the dumbest post ever made on the internet.

And it ridiculously judgemental . . . and obviously made by a MiLB wannabe (and pro school graduate).

Of course this is just my opinion.

Regards,

this thread has took an obvious right turn :(

And you know what they say about opinions...

It's simple fashion etiquette. The fact that you don't like it is irrelevant. As someone famous once exclaimed, "You can't handle the truth!"

BTW, I had my chance to be an MiLB umpire, Tim (and I'm much too old to be some wannabe); I declined. That's not why I attended umpire school. Not everyone who attends fits into this ridiculous mold that you so patronizingly hold. Get over yourself already.

Maybe I was too soft on him then. Since I wear a helmet and I would NEVER, NEVER wear a hat under it, I guess I'll stay away from Alabama.

Well, I certainly tuck my jacket in when working the plate. I am curious about the other statement about seeing undergarments. I've never seen an umpire's undergarments exposed during a game because their jacket rode up on them.

My schit stays tucked in, no matter what happens out there, and the same goes for many umpires who are larger than I am. I've seen some pants rip out the seat, which is rather funny, but that happens to skinny guys too. My tailor reinforces my pants in the seat to insure against that happening.:)

TMI

Thanks to all for not sharing what shows, and what doesn't when you umpire.

Steve,

Not too long ago I did some evals of a couple guys wishing to work their way up to NCAA games. One was about 6'2" and 250 lbs. or so. He did the bases and wore the Honig's K17 black jacket, the one with the elastic bottom. He had a few whackers for safe calls out there, and when he did his emphatic calls, the jacket pulled up enough that his shirt/undergarments were noticeable. Each time he then, of course, had to pull down his jacket. It just looked sloppy. I asked him later why he wore a navy sweatshirt under his jacket, especially one that had a logo on it (didn't look very good). Needless to say, I marked him down for appearance.

I've explained to guys that when one tucks in such items, it offers a clean, crisp look. It bisects the body and uniform in a more professional manner ("professional" meaning in a general sense and not specifically referring to umpires or sports alone). There's a cleancut difference between one's clothing up top and one's clothing down below (the pants). The patent leather black belt adds to this appearance when it serves as the noticeable dividing line between the two. I'm sure this may sound stupid or even ridiculous to some, including a gentleman a few posts above, but there are those who know what I mean. FWIW, I never used to tuck in my jacket or any pullover item. I learned to do this outside of umpiring (no, not from Gloria Vanderbilt, either) then applied it to umpiring. I have a couple pullover windbreakers and similar items. I tuck those in when going out. Button-down items? Well, that's a different story.

Hehehe,
 

My aren't I glad that evaluators in my area worry about your umpiring rather than personal views of uniformity.

How sad . . . but WWTB taught us what to expect from a certain area of the USA.

And if tomorrow the MLB guys changed to wearing them "untucked" you would support that position from that day forward.

Sad, really sad!

Regards,

He he he he
 

A.) Appearance is but one of many factors that go into evaluations (still wearing those beanies behind the plate?). Perhaps you high school umpires don't comprehend this.

B.) Some MLB guys have gone to untucking their jackets; I have not. So, your typically juvenile retort is, as usual, incorrect.

Nice try, Tim. Play again sometime.

Yes. It went from crap to something somewhat marginally related to umpiring.



You can always start another video-game thread later. We know you will.

The bottom line is all officials in all sports are expected to "look the part." Many of those standards good or bad come from the higher levels. A lot of what football officials do is based on what is acceptable at the NFL or Division 1 levels. There is a reason you do not see officials wear short sleeve shirts and then have a turtleneck hanging out of the sleeves of the shirt on a football crew. As a basketball official, we wear similar styles from what we see in the NBA or Division 1 level as well. You do not see the Byron collar anymore at all levels of basketball because it was made a standard at the higher levels. The thing with football and basketball, there are not many variations to the uniforms that we wear in those sports. In baseball there are all kinds of combinations and different styles that we wear on the baseball field. That is just a reality to the any level of officiating. Some areas are going to be much stricter than others.

Also I have never been told to wear a jacket that is designed to be tucked in to have it tucked in. I have only tucked in a jacket that is designed for that purpose.

Peace

Hehehe
 

Ump25 what a pompous a$$ you are. And trust me I KNOW pompous . . . I look in the mirror several times a week.

Let's make a bet:

I bet I have worked more D-1 games than you.

Further, I bet I have worked higher in the D-1 playoffs that you.

The statement "you high school umpires" is just plain silly, mate.

We get it . . . but the problem with you, is you can't sell it!

Trying to explain to us a fashion statement ("the belt defines top from bottom . . ." ) is like trying to talk sense to SAUmp on a rising fast ball.

It just doesn't fly.

If anyone needs to "get over themselves" you have shown us pretty clearly who that is . . .

Regards,

A taste of your own medicine doesn't sit so well, does it, Tee? Now perhaps you will know how you come across. Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle. Perhaps you ought to follow some of your advice, implied or not, when you post replies. Personally, I don't believe you can "sell it," either. Being one of umpiredom's greatest Internet umpires doesn't do it. (BTW, you can at least quote me correctly when you attempt to reprint a quote of mine.)

We are both veteran umpires, and I'D bet quite respected. I neither desire nor prefer to get into some pissing contest with you, Tee. I'd win some; I'd lose some, trust me. Now, put some whipped cream on that humble pie.

Indeed. The IHSA, for example, is rather strict with its color scheme--even its prohibition on numbers on uniforms (though enforcement isn't serious until the post-season commences).

I'm going to break in here for a moment. As I stated previously, I also do not tuck in my pullover (only wear it on the bases, remember?). Now, when I make a call, I do what I was taught years ago. I freeze in my ready position, see it, read it, run it again, then take a step forward (bending at the knee) to make my "emphatic" safe call. You end up almost in a scissors position.

My pullover does not ride up more than an inch or so and when I hustle back to position, a slight tug brings the errant elastic waist band back into place. Nothing to it at all.

I've never been gigged by my assigners, I've never been spoken to about it and I have never had a complaint from a partner about it. I work with slimmer partners that tuck in their pullovers at the plate and we have never heard anything about it.

You see, my past and present assigners were concerned with neat appearance - no "slept in" uniforms, crisp creases, neat and tidy. But not as fanatically as some of you out there. My "overlords" are more concerned with my performance, my game management and how I work with my partners.

Hahahaha
 

Ump25 intoned:

"A taste of your own medicine doesn't sit so well, does it, Tee? Now perhaps you will know how you come across. Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle. Perhaps you ought to follow some of your advice, implied or not, when you post replies. Personally, I don't believe you can "sell it," either. Being one of umpiredom's greatest Internet umpires doesn't do it. (BTW, you can at least quote me correctly when you attempt to reprint a quote of mine.)

"We are both veteran umpires, and I'D bet quite respected. I neither desire nor prefer to get into some pissing contest with you, Tee. I'd win some; I'd lose some, trust me. Now, put some whipped cream on that humble pie."

Dear Ump:

When one treis to "parry a thrust" it is best if one can use their own thoughts.

You simply took my words and tried (I should say failed) to use them ion your defense.

I am sure you are a fine umpire -- just don't give fashion advice to people who know better.

Pretty funny stuff.

Regards,

So I take it you're the fashion guru, eh? Interesting. Quite humorous, but interesting nonetheless.

This is not true. There were a couple of officials that wore numbers on their shirts/jackets in the State Finals and Anthony Holman did not care from all accounts. What he does not want is to see organizational hats during the post seasons. But numbers have not been an issue.

Peace

Then Anthony is getting more lenient. I DO know the IHSA doesn't want them on unies, but that doesn't mean they'll order their removal. I personally don't do much Fed ball--NCAA is my cup of tea--so what I know has been told to me by several IHSA umpires, including one of Anthony's closest friends from Kankakee. ;)

Actually, he is. I've seen Tee at work, at play and at home. His sartorial tastes are impeccable in each venue.

The person who told me this originally is a D1 NCAA Umpire and worked the State Finals a few years ago. I would have thought the IHSA would not allow them either for the post season, but I was told he did not care or make any issue out of it. I personally only have a couple of shirts with a number on them and I do not wear them for HS games. I also do not put any numbers on my jackets because I also work a lot of college ball. I would rather not deal with the issue of "what if."

Peace

Reader Beware of Redundancy
 

Those who have read my posts should know I like to post definitions whenever I see the need for one.
http://www.m-w.com/
I need one for sartorial, so I looked it UP.
Then I looked UP fastball.

Interesting how facts can take the sting from a barb. Quite humorous, but interesting nonetheless.

He is quite the coxcomb, I'll give him that. ;)

Man, I'd hate to play Scrabble with you!:D

Would this be a triple word score? I know the "X" would be worth a lot of points all by itself. :D

Peace

Indeed. It would be quite remunerative and fructiferous.

And it would score you a lot of points,too...... :D