Coverage of Steal of third
 

In the 2 umpire system who has the call at third on a steal play? For years as plate umpire I have sprinted down the 3rd base line and taken the play at third, but the other day I worked with a partner who thought it was his call and he also made the call. Since I was UIC, my call obviously prevailed. Have I been doing this wrong and is it the base umpire's call?

This call belongs to the BU.


Tim.

Doesn't the PU have the better angle on this play?

1) How can you possibly think this is correct?

2) Who/where did you get this info from?

No, the BU from position C angles in toward home plate as he runs toward the foul line, turns, and is in very good position to call the play. The PU cannot possibly cover enough ground to get close enough, I don't care if it's Marion Jones doing the running.

My assignor Charlie told me that this was the proper mechanic. He went to the Wendelstadt school and almost made it to PBUC. They even recommended that he come back the next year.

He must be joking with you.


Tim.

How is the PU going to get around the batter and the catcher (who is likely throwing the ball) and get this call right?

Whoever told you this must be pulling your leg if they expect the PU to make this call.

Peace

Good point, Jeff. He'd almost have to take the play from 1BX to avoid interfering with the throw.


Tim.

Even then, he would have been further away than the BU to make that call.

Peace

i think this guy's joking with us.
he referenced a guy named charlie (this is key), who went to pro-school, almost to PBUC...but would have the PU take a steal at third.

Must be April 1st 2006 a little late or April 1st 2007 a little early.


Tim.

My, my the trolls are everywhere lately. Must be the weather.

No way, just about everything on the bases is the BU's job. Ran into the same thing on the 60' diamond. Im on SS side of second, runner steals. MY job on the bases. I still work with PU's who think that PU should take third. And of course i have to tell them that isnt right on a steal situation. If there were runners on the move or something and i watching 1st & 2nd, then in that situation PU moves up the line.

I wonder if "charlie" goes by the nickname of "Smitty" .........

ATPU mechanics
 

I would suggest that this all-time plate ump may wanna stay put behind the plate. He should worry more about the strike zone and then timing his ball and strike calls. It would be nice if he then passes this info on to the BU after the BU makes his safe or out call on the pick-off or steal attempt.

Isnt it possible that Little League Dan is a "Charlie" too?

Dan, you're speaking untruths and gibberish again. "Just about everything on the bases" is NOT solely BU's job; there are a number of situations in which a 2-man crew rotates, giving PU responsibility for base coverage. Depending on the situation, PU may be responsible for plays at 1B, 2B, and 3B.

I love calling the runner safe on a close steal play at third as I run up the 3rd base line to get into position, signalling by crossing my arms in a X and then waving them back and forth as I yell "HE'S IN! HE'S IN!", just as my NFHS manual told me to do.

Charlie is Charles, not Smitty.

It's another unfunny Lance Cokalinski wanna-be. Beat it, Jack. There's only room for one.

But .............................
 

He's a tad more entertaining than some of the recent posts (and posters).

Okay, I thought I would figure this out with time... but that didn't happen. :rolleyes:


What exactly is a "troll?" :confused:

A troll is someone who only posts to start trouble, instigate stuff, insult people, get people pissed, etc. Then they sit back and laugh at fools like me who get irritated by them. They rarely have anything substantial to offer.

LMan is not a troll, contrary to what was recently written. LMan brings a lot to the table, including a sharp wit, which he disperses evenly and fairly.

Thanks! Now I get it...


BTW- On a close play steal of second, is it okay to ask your partner if he saw the tag if the assiatant coach comes out and asks me to appeal? :D

Yes, if you play in Sheriff Black Jack's league (Which is the Justice Calvin Ball League, I think).

Hey all,

That depend's on if you would be willing to go to the parking lot and tell the A$$istant coach what your partner said after said coach got dumped...why would he be out of the dugout, anyway?

LomUmp:cool:

Well again, we are talking different levels. We do not go out on fly balls, so PU doesnt make any calls at first or 2nd. I can possibly understand PU calls at 1B, but not 2B.

You need to be better trained, then.

Even on the small diamond, the base umpire in A can go out. That makes the BR the responsibility of the PU at first, second, third...

Seems that LL has changed since the early 1980's. Base umpires went out on trouble balls and the PU took the runners. But lately, LL has allowed the PU's to "grow roots" behind the plate.

Also remember, you're not on a "LL only" forum here so your statements will get challenged and corrected. We try to cover the three rule books out there (and there are only 3) OBR, NCAA and FED. Anything else is derived from one of these as in your case; LL is derived from OBR. Please try and remember that.

BU - Always

Here comes the pitch as the runner on 2B steals. You watch the ball into F2's mit then you quickly come out from behind F2 and 'sprint' up the third base line in time to set up for the call at 3B.

Your post should have started out with "Once upon a time..........."


You were UIC so your call prevailed? You mean you and your partner had different calls and because you were the UIC you were automatically correct?

Where did you learn to umpire?

Did you not get the memo that this guy is a troll jerking our chains?

You mean I wasted all my witty comments on a troll? Guess I should learn to read all the comments before I jump in. It was just too easy :)

Thanks I needed that. NOW THAT IS COMEDY!