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kylejt Fri Sep 01, 2006 01:01am

Wake up you guys!
 
Tim Timmons goes ape**** in a game, and brings the number to two stupid things that MLB umpires have done to us this week, and you guys are still slapping each other about foultips and timing plays signals.

First we have foul balls turning fair, and now we have firstbase umpires going after BR's. Nice job Tim, and way to back it up with blown call, just for fun. Yikes! Open mouth, and insert the Honigs hightop.

Come on now! Watch Sports Center! Move it along!

SanDiegoSteve Fri Sep 01, 2006 02:01am

Sorry, Kyle. I'm in the hospital, and the TV's here don't get ESPN.

Timmons blew up a while back, didn't he? He's another I'm not overly impressed with.

Some of my favorites:

Laz Diaz, Ted Barrett, Dan Iasognna, Ed Rapuano, Jeff Kellogg, Tom Hallion, Mark Hirschbeck, Ron Barnes.

Least favorites:

Bob Davidson, Chris Gucionne, Ed Hickox, Kerwin Danly, Ed Montague.

Still, overall they are all damn good umpires, I just like some more than others.

aceholleran Fri Sep 01, 2006 04:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Sorry, Kyle. I'm in the hospital, and the TV's here don't get ESPN.

Laz Diaz, Ted Barrett, Dan Iasognna, Ed Rapuano, Jeff Kellogg, Tom Hallion, Mark Hirschbeck, Ron Barnes.

a) feel better, heal well, friend.

b) yes, I'm chest-puffing. The Hirshbecks Dan I. and Ed Rap. are all from CT--a small state. John H. and Dan are from neighboring towns, Bridgeport (my hometown) and Stratford. Ed is from New Haven some 20 miles away. I've worked many games with is dad, and one with Eddie.

I know Greg Kosc came from Stratford as well, and I'm pretty sure Terry Tata was from Cheshire.

Not bad for us li'l Nutmeggers.

Ace

MidMadness Fri Sep 01, 2006 07:46am

Embarrassed
 
I was embarrassed by Tim Timmons behavior last night. Acted like a complete jerk, sticking his nose where it didn't belong, and then....can't even get the call at first right!! To busy focusing on the wrong things. Holy****...That was horrible.

BBall_Junkie Fri Sep 01, 2006 08:14am

As a basketball official, I am not going to comment on whether it was or was not horrible on Timmons part b/c I don't know.

I was at the game last night in the third row behind the Astros dugout (first base line) when the mayhem broke out. As a sports fan and an official, like many of you I find myself watching the officiating a lot b/c you can always pickup game management techniques in every contest. So I was a little surprised, as was the rest of the crowd, when there was a VERY heated argument on the first play of the game on a very routine ground out. I watched very closely from that point on and was surprised that Clark was not tossed.

I was not surprised when Cirillo got dumped after impaling his helmut into the ground. (I don't care who you are, how much you make, if you are mad at yourself, or how wrong the call was... that is never acceptable)Nor was I surprised when Yost got dumped for coming out to argue for the second time in the inning. I was surprised that he was called out, b/c I thought he made beat the throw (I am an Astros fan btw).

According to the Milwaukee paper, link below, Timmons "started" the fireworks by instigating the fracas with Clark. It also said that the replay clearly showed that it was a blown call and was and "it wasn't even close". Keep in mind this is the rag of the team whose best player and manager were tossed so may be a bit biased. The Houston Chronicle makes no mention of what the argument was about only that it occured and that Yost and Cirillo were tossed.

I do find it interesting that in Baseball the umps and players/coaches get into heated arguments back and forth. This is never true in basketball. It is alway one way, until we hear enough and then we "T" and Toss!

I look forward to reading the thoughts of the baseball umpire crowd on this particular situation.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=489804

Tim C Fri Sep 01, 2006 08:33am

Ok,
 
Tim Timmons, The Master of the Ankle High Strike, "seems" to have reverted to what umpires "used" to be -- if he really did bark at Brady Clark for stepping out at the plate then he entered himself into another umpires domain. (Not unheard of since we saw Angel Hernendez toss Mariono Duncan long distance this year.)

Most of all it is just August (The Dog Days) when everyone is tired.

I only watched a few highlights -- I read the attched article -- and know that there will never be an annonced fine or suspension for the umpire so the issue is probably moot (or mute to some of our posters).

Regards,

mattmets Fri Sep 01, 2006 08:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by aceholleran
a) feel better, heal well, friend.

b) yes, I'm chest-puffing. The Hirshbecks Dan I. and Ed Rap. are all from CT--a small state. John H. and Dan are from neighboring towns, Bridgeport (my hometown) and Stratford. Ed is from New Haven some 20 miles away. I've worked many games with is dad, and one with Eddie.

I know Greg Kosc came from Stratford as well, and I'm pretty sure Terry Tata was from Cheshire.

Not bad for us li'l Nutmeggers.

Ace

Terry Tata's sister used to live up the street from me, and I delivered her newspaper when I was 7. I also went to high school with Terry's grandson a whole 3 years ago.

All of this is random, I know, but like you said, for CT, to have quite a few big league guys is something to be proud of.


Tee, on your comment in regards to Timmons being "The Master of the Ankle High Strike", did you see any of the Mets-Rockies game last night? Marty Foster was just brutal, not only calling the low strike, but being terribly inconsistent with it. I know it was tough as a fan to watch that game just for the inconsistency Marty showed.

mattmets Fri Sep 01, 2006 09:45am

Just got this little nugget from ESPN in regards to the Timmons play:

"As we all know, tie goes to the runner."

ESPN, once again proving their incompetence in everything sports.

Sal Giaco Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:31am

I"ll take a stab at this but I can only speculate since I wasn't there...

The home plate umpire was Travis Reininger, a AAA/MLB call up. Brady Clark, the first batter of the game, took a 1-0 pitch for a called strike on the outside corner. Clark took exception to the call by walking away from the plate and taking a little extra time before getting back in the box. Tim Timmons, the first base umpire, thought that Clark was showing up the "rookie" Reininger by "silently" arguing what was, at that time, only the second pitch of the game.

So, after Clark grounded out to first base, Timmons stuck up for his partner by yelling at Clark. I think Timmons wanted to make sure Clark understood that he was not going to take advantage of his young partner behind the plate, especially on the second pitch of the ball game. Clark was not ejected because he really didn't do or say anything that would cause him to be ejected but Timmons wanted to let him know that his actions at the plate were not appreciated. A few batters later, Timmons missed a close play at first base and the fireworks ensued with a couple of ejections.

I think Timmons heart was in the right place in that he wanted to protect his young partner. Unfortuneatly, he went about it in the wrong way and it hurt him in the end. I think his emotions were running high after that exchange with Clark which may have caused him to lose his focus later in the inning. I applaud him for having Reininger's back but unfortunately, I think the way he went about it blew up on him.

A wise man once told me that when it comes to officiating, you're always just one play away from being the lead story on Sports Center.

Just my 2 cents

RonRef Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by aceholleran
a) feel better, heal well, friend.

b) yes, I'm chest-puffing. The Hirshbecks Dan I. and Ed Rap. are all from CT--a small state. John H. and Dan are from neighboring towns, Bridgeport (my hometown) and Stratford. Ed is from New Haven some 20 miles away. I've worked many games with is dad, and one with Eddie.

I know Greg Kosc came from Stratford as well, and I'm pretty sure Terry Tata was from Cheshire.

Not bad for us li'l Nutmeggers.

Ace

Please don't brag about Greg Kosc!

GarthB Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Sorry, Kyle. I'm in the hospital, and the TV's here don't get ESPN.

Having been there, I wouldn't wish a hospital stay on my worst enemy...an you aren't even in the top 10.:D

Best wishes and get well.

SanDiegoSteve Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:13pm

Thanks, Garth. I just got the news that I'm getting sprung today. Apparently, the antibiotics are working, and surgery will be avoided for this Diverticulitis of the Descending Colon.. I was in a world of pain.. The pain is down from a 10 to around 4 or 5 (drugs are a wonderful thing).

Thanks Ace and all other well-wishers for the kind words. Thanks to my buddy Tim (bigUmp56) for the phone call last night.

Garth, it's good to know I'm not in your top 10 (yet).

GarthB Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Thanks, Garth. I just got the news that I'm getting sprung today. Apparently, the antibiotics are working, and surgery will be avoided for this Diverticulitis of the Descending Colon.. I was in a world of pain.. The pain is down from a 10 to around 4 or 5 (drugs are a wonderful thing).

I know the ten scale well. I had surgery in June to remove a kidney stone that was too large to pass and not positioned well for "blasting." My morephine drip was my best friend for three days.

UmpJM Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:48pm

Steve,

Bummer.

Best wishes for a full and speedy recovery.

JM

SanDiegoSteve Fri Sep 01, 2006 01:01pm

Thanks John.

I'm feeling much better than I did Monday night when it felt like a mule kicked me in the side and came back for seconds in the front!

Surgery avoided, and that was my main cocern.

I'm going to make some drastic changes in my diet, and I plan to get into better shape. I've been lazy for too long now, and it's going to kill me if I don't knock it off.

bluezebra Fri Sep 01, 2006 01:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattmets
Just got this little nugget from ESPN in regards to the Timmons play:

"As we all know, tie goes to the runner."

ESPN, once again proving their incompetence in everything sports.

I saw this on ESPN, and sceamed at the TV again. Will these morons EVER learn? I highly doubt it. By the way, the BR was CLEARLY safe by about 1/2 step. Wasn't even a "tie".

Bob

SanDiegoSteve Fri Sep 01, 2006 02:32pm

The worst part is that the fans believe everything they hear on ESPN, and will now scream that nonsense even louder and with authority.

"Come on, Blue! everyone knows tie goes to the runner, even the morons at ESPN!"

ozzy6900 Fri Sep 01, 2006 07:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Thanks, Garth. I just got the news that I'm getting sprung today. Apparently, the antibiotics are working, and surgery will be avoided for this Diverticulitis of the Descending Colon.. I was in a world of pain.. The pain is down from a 10 to around 4 or 5 (drugs are a wonderful thing).

Thanks Ace and all other well-wishers for the kind words. Thanks to my buddy Tim (bigUmp56) for the phone call last night.

Garth, it's good to know I'm not in your top 10 (yet).

Not a very nice time, there SDS. I had a friend that suffered from that and I remember the pain he went through. Hope you feel better soon.

SanDiegoSteve Fri Sep 01, 2006 09:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWL
I tried to tell you the same thing. You considered it a personal attack and even went so far as to say I wanted you dead. It wouldn't be me killing you, it would be yourself. Glad to see you finally figured it out.

It's just the way you put things that's a little off. Like, you couldn't get a job writing for Hallmark.:)

Thanks Ozzy. Hallmark won't be calling you either, but it's a lot closer.:D

ctblu40 Sat Sep 02, 2006 08:08am

Simply put, feel better Steve.

tmp44 Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:45pm

Is there a video link of what happened anywhere????

SanDiegoSteve Sat Sep 02, 2006 02:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctblu40
Simply put, feel better Steve.

Thanks, Kevin. I am already!

D-Man Sat Sep 02, 2006 02:41pm

???
 
...of the play or SDS's colon?

SanDiegoSteve Sat Sep 02, 2006 04:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWL
I don't want a job writing for Hallmark. I just wish I didn't have to put up with lying, backstabbing scum like your "good buddy". I have never encountered someone so shallow in all my life. He goes and pulls the same crap at another website, he pulled here. Only this time, he found an idiot to believe his wolf cries. I will not refer to him by his moniker or given name. From now on he will only be known to me as Coward.

Frankly, I find the both of you to be of the same moral fiber. Weak and pathetic. If Coward has the courage to tell the truth, which I doubt, because he lacks a backbone then everyone would know the real story. Remember, it's only a loser that cannot even admit the truth to himself. Personally, the both of you are just petty, small and vindictive individual.


If you want sympathy from me, your barking up the wrong tree. Perhaps the knife you helped Coward stick in my back would be more appropriate.

Wow, I don't know what you're getting at here (why don't you spell it out?), but like I said, anytime you want to play frog, little ribit, just leap.

I didn't expect any sympathy from anyone. What people were doing was wishing me well, and to have a speedy recovery. Your "I told you so" childish remarks were not meant in any well-wishing manner. My decisions to get into better shape had nothing to do with my hospital stay. Totally unrelated. You felt it necessary to butt into something that's none of your business. How many times do I have to school you about staying out of my business?

SanDiegoSteve Sat Sep 02, 2006 04:49pm

Better start taking a fiber supplement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PWL
Frankly, I find the both of you to be of the same moral fiber.

I'm sorry, but what in the world do you know about moral fiber? You have demonstrated over and over that you have zero.

BigUmp56 Sat Sep 02, 2006 05:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
I'm sorry, but what in the world do you know about moral fiber? You have demonstrated over and over that you have zero.


Maybe if you'd had a bigger portion of moral fibre you would have avoided the condescending colon problem!:D


Tim.

SanDiegoSteve Sat Sep 02, 2006 05:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigUmp56
Maybe if you'd had a bigger portion of moral fibre you would have avoided the condescending colon problem!:D

I don't think there's any way of avoiding this condescending colon, but thanks for the tip.

socalblue1 Sat Sep 02, 2006 05:21pm

Folks,

If everyone will simply place PWL on his/her ignore list the problem will soon disappear.

PWL Sat Sep 02, 2006 05:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Wow, I don't know what you're getting at here (why don't you spell it out?), but like I said, anytime you want to play frog, little ribit, just leap.

I didn't expect any sympathy from anyone. What people were doing was wishing me well, and to have a speedy recovery. Your "I told you so" childish remarks were not meant in any well-wishing manner. My decisions to get into better shape had nothing to do with my hospital stay. Totally unrelated. You felt it necessary to butt into something that's none of your business. How many times do I have to school you about staying out of my business?

You know what I'm talking about Chicken Boy. You're just like your cowardly friend, too big of a punk to admit it. You and Coward are the real children. Playing games like you do. I stay where I want to stay. If you got a problem with it, I'll pay you first class round trip airfare to say to my face the things you and Coward say behind my back. I don't think you have the guts. You just sit and run your fat mouth and place idle threats on forums. So go ahead you lying piece of crap and make my day. I would look forward to seeing the fear in your eyes. Like I said the both of you are petty, small and vindictive. So shut up...............

Tim C Sat Sep 02, 2006 05:47pm

hehehe
 
Done.

Regards,

BigUmp56 Sat Sep 02, 2006 06:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWL
Hey Coward,

Why don't you have the intestinal fortitude to tell the truth.

Is it because you are such a big liar.

I'm not sure I know what you mean. I don't even recall having a discussion with someone using PWL as a moniker since I've returned to this forum. Maybe you can explain so we all can get a better understanding of your hostility.


Tim.

socalblue1 Sat Sep 02, 2006 06:46pm

Tim,

IGNORE HIM
IGNORE HIM
IGNORE HIM
IGNORE HIM

Get the point?

SanDiegoSteve Sat Sep 02, 2006 07:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWL
Never in my life would I pull the stunts that you have pulled on this website and others. Now I dislike you for the person that you are, but deny you are. However, I wouldn't go to through such extremes to back stab anyone.. Unlike you, I accept responsibility for my actions.

That is such a load of crap, Who's Your Blue. You started right out over there with a vendetta against (especially) me, and Tim from day one, when you called me (without any provocation), a "crazy outhouse mouse," and kept talking about me wanting to go "fist city" with everyone. Not everyone. Just you and the person who I was conversing with before you butted in. Don't even try to act all innocent and play the victim. You did what you did to yourself. The vast majority of all of your posts were viscious attacks, meant to belittle me or Tim, and to make fun of our wives, our jobs, and our weight. Don't you dare try to play innocent with me, buddy boy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWL
The thing that sticks in my crawl is the fact that I have to deal with a hypocritical, lying, petty, small minded, righteous lunatic who casts dispersions my way as if he was the shining example of the way to live life.

Once again, I have to correct you. Don't use words that you can't spell, pronounce, or define. It is craw, sticks in your craw, not crawl. It is casts aspersions, not dispersions, which is paint you put in epoxy to change the color.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWL
Now go and act confused as you usually do when you have no answer and are too proud to swallow your fake pride.

I'm sure Tim has plenty of answers for you. I'll tell you this much. You got what you deserved.

GarthB Sat Sep 02, 2006 08:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by socalblue1
Tim,

IGNORE HIM
IGNORE HIM
IGNORE HIM
IGNORE HIM

Get the point?

The ignore feature is very easy to use, but you have to want to ignore someone. It's not a good feature if you enjoy reading the posts.

NFump Sat Sep 02, 2006 08:58pm

When does the guy with the keys get here?

NFump Sat Sep 02, 2006 09:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWL
Funny. A hospital with no ESPN, but Internet access.:rolleyes:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Oops, you meant funny strange not funny BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

briancurtin Sat Sep 02, 2006 09:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NFump
When does the guy with the keys get here?

haha great post

NFump Sat Sep 02, 2006 09:39pm

Since this thread is soooooo off topic anyways. Hey WWTB how are you doin? Hope your gettin better!

SanDiegoSteve Sat Sep 02, 2006 09:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWL
So you admit to your little gambit. And you never, ever said anything. You always stick your head in the sand, when actually your hand is in the cookie jar. So go ahead and correct my spelling, that's all you really can do isn't Chicken Boy? You and coward (notice I didn't ever bother to capitalize this time) are really just the low life scum of the ABUA forum. I guess your life mission is complete. Face it Augie, you are nothing more than an immature little brat that doesn't get it.

As long as you had the hypocritical coward watching your back, you didn't have anything to worry about. Right now the both of your are just making excuses for your inexcusable behavior. If you think stabbing someone in the back is what I deserved, then are just as warped as coward is. I will live without that piece of crap place. If they are fools enough to let coward run their website, I want no part of it anyway. I would like to see you pull that crap over here again. I don't think so. Face it Stevie you talk big, but that's all it is talk.

As for coward, I don't want to even hear the lies that come out of that backstabber's mouth. You say I had a personal vendetta. You are one drama queen, you know that. The things you did proved who had the vendetta. I would never in my life stoop as low as the both of you. I know it's all about control and his mental deficiencies. I know you think it's real funny what happened. You even blamed me for getting you banned from this website. I guess your even too small minded to accept responsibilities for actions on any website. The both of you have no creditability. If honest people knew what you really did, you couldn't even get work as an umpire. You would have no trust factor.

So the two of you yuk it up and have a laugh at my expense, but don't be surprised one day if I take you up on your many offers to come to San Diego and stick my fist down your fat a$$ throat. I can take a lot of things in my life, but a back stabber is the lowest form as far as I'm concerned. That's the only thing that boils my blood.

Look, pychopath:

I haven't laughed at your expense. I told you I didn't want you banned, just told to shut up.

I had nothing to do with what happened to you. There was no gambit. I wasn't even aware of anything coming up. I was surprised to see the turn of events.

You did start all the problems over there, immediately jumping on me from post #1. It's still there, a matter of public record. You can't delete it to hide it like you normally do.

I wasn't correcting your spelling, I was telling you the correct words to use. There's a big difference. I don't mark down for spelling errors.

I cannot afford to pay your airfare out here, but you already said you would pay for mine, so just use that money. You couldn't get your fist anywhere near my mouth, and if you knew me better, you would know that. Better men than you have tried and failed.

The hospital I was in has a limited amount of cable channels. For $6.95 a day, you can get the internet on the TV screen and a wireless keyboard. You also get some movies which are old and lame, plus extra cable channels. Still, even with the extra channels, no ESPN.

NFump Sat Sep 02, 2006 09:59pm

See! I knew there was a reasonable explanation. I'm glad we've got that straightened out and the airfare thing too!

LAST CALL!..........LAST CALL!

SanDiegoSteve Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:46pm

I will let your post speak for itself. It speaks volumes.

kylejt Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:53pm

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz

NFump Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:13pm

It's time to go the party's over. CLOSING TIME! You don't have to go home but you do have to go. Hey you! Yeah you, asleep on the bar, your cab's here. Now if I could just find those keys.......

GarthB Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:34pm

Let's get it on!
 
Okay, here's the deal. We'll put an end to this.

Both of you guys agree on a date, at least three weeks down the road, and I'll organize a fund that will pay for tickets for the both of you to Seattle. We'll secure a facility, have an EMT on call and video the two of you putting your fists down each other's throat.

No excuses now. Neither of you will have to pay a dime. The winner gets to spend the night at a Holiday Inn and the loser stays at the local Mission or hospital of his choice.

Also, the winner gets a week of "I told you so's" and the loser has to agree to a permanent ban from official forum.

Whaddaya say? Let's do this and get it over with once and for all.

NFump Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:41pm

Sir, I'm sorry but we're closed. Yes I know the doors are still open but I can't seem to find the keys. No sir, I can't give you a drink. Awww man, now I've got to clean that up. Why would you eat that when you've been drinking?

SanDiegoSteve Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:45pm

But can you believe it? No freakin' ESPN??? That's just not right!

NFump Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:52pm

Okay I've tried to be nice. Look if you bums don't leave I'll be forced to call the police. DAMMIT! WHERE ARE THOSE KEYS? Shouldn't have sent the bouncers home. NO, you can't use the bathroom. AWWWWWWW Man! You're cleaning that up! Frickin bums!

UMP25 Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:35am

Can we stop this childish nonsense already?

SanDiegoSteve Sun Sep 03, 2006 01:18am

I don't know, why don't you ask the one person responsible for all of it?

UMP25 Sun Sep 03, 2006 01:21am

I'm asking all participants. It takes two to tango, as they say. It gets annoying reading these threads only to find out half the pages are insulting gibberish back and forth rather than the subject matter at hand.

Carbide Keyman Sun Sep 03, 2006 07:23am

Well .....................
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GarthB
Okay, here's the deal. We'll put an end to this.

Both of you guys agree on a date, at least three weeks down the road, and I'll organize a fund that will pay for tickets for the both of you to Seattle. We'll secure a facility, have an EMT on call and video the two of you putting your fists down each other's throat.

No excuses now. Neither of you will have to pay a dime. The winner gets to spend the night at a Holiday Inn and the loser stays at the local Mission or hospital of his choice.

Also, the winner gets a week of "I told you so's" and the loser has to agree to a permanent ban from official forum.

Whaddaya say? Let's do this and get it over with once and for all.

C'mon boys, let's here your answer. PWL ?? SDS ??

The silence is deafening (and telling).

PWL Sun Sep 03, 2006 08:20am

Just let me know the time and place. I don't think chicken boy has the heart.

Jurassic Referee Sun Sep 03, 2006 09:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWL
Just let me know the time and place. I don't think chicken boy has the heart.

http://www.forumspile.com/Post-Can_beat_up_yours.gif


The Silly Season is officially here.

bob jenkins Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
I don't know, why don't you ask the one person responsible for all of it?

imo, there is no one person responsible for all of it. At least three of the posters in this thread are responsible.


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