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Fri Aug 18, 2006 02:45pm |
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Originally Posted by mcrowder
I think that it CANNOT be a violation of the substitution rules BECAUSE he didn't sub for anyone.
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And I think it is a violation for that same reason...but we don't have a definitive answer to settle this.
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Originally Posted by mcrowder
I agree that that's true, but do NOT agree that in the OP the umpire made any award or even an error. At worst, he failed to preventatively umpire and failed to get the improper player (regardless of whether he was the current batter or a basecoach or someone else on the team) off the base in a timely matter - this portion can be fixed by 9.01c. But the umpire is not responsible for preventing the offense from sending the wrong batter to the plate, even if the offensive mistake happened mid-at-bat.
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And as I previously posted, I believe the failure to prevent the batter from taking first as a result of the balk call constitutes an award of first (as posted above). We'll again just have to agree to disagree.
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Originally Posted by mcrowder
I agree with this, but the batter's BELIEF is not the umpire's fault.
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No, but the umpire's misapplication of the rules is (as discussed above by me in this thread).
We agree to disagree!
As an aside: In an NCAA Division 1 baseball game I had the following take place:
(1) 3-1 count to batter. Pitch comes in, I say "Ball four". Batter goes to first.
(2) First pitch to next batter occurs...called "strike".
(3) Defensive manager comes out to argue that it was only "ball three" to the first batter.
(4) I tell him I'm sure it was ball four as I said the count out load several times during the at-bat, without objection from anyone, and that in any event "even if you are right another pitch has occured so it is too late to protest."
(5) He muttered about me being wrong and left.
Was I wrong?
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