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waltjp Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:15am

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Originally Posted by PWL
If the New Hampshire coach felt so bad, he simply shouldn't have lodged a protest. However if a parent knew this, they would have given the information earlier I think. Sounds as if both coaches are guilty of not trying to win the old fashion way. Pitcher throwing wild pitches, batter swinging at anything. Seems to me both teams were making a mockery of the game over one little kid. If anything, New Hampshire didn't have the guts to win the game on a level playing field.

A rule was violated and protested. Would you take the same stance if the home team, down by 1 run with two outs in the bottom of the last inning, hit a walk-off home run only to have the lead runner miss a base before scoring?

PWL Mon Aug 14, 2006 08:27pm

Lock up the sharp objects.........
 
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Oh, I see we're back to correcting my mistakes again. Yes, I misread. I missed the part where the kid already played defense. So what? The details are far less important than the point. You spend way too much time worrying about what I write. Smileys don't cover up sarcasm.:)

I also realized my mistake about 4 hours ago, but unlike you, I dont' go back and delete or alter my posts so as not to look bad, like some people (you) I know.

I refuse to reply to this.

What I will do however is just sit here, shake my head and ask myself, "Why me, Lord? Why me?"

PWL Mon Aug 14, 2006 08:40pm

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Originally Posted by waltjp
A rule was violated and protested. Would you take the same stance if the home team, down by 1 run with two outs in the bottom of the last inning, hit a walk-off home run only to have the lead runner miss a base before scoring?

That's a different situation than a team trying to lose so they can win. Hope they get smoked in the LLWS.

I never was a Nebraska football fan, but I gained a world of respect for Tom Osborne when he went for the two point conversion and the win. He could have easily settled for a tie and a national championship in the Orange Bowl years ago. I don't think anyone ever second guessed him for his decision. If you want to be number one, go in through the front door not the back.

TussAgee11 Mon Aug 14, 2006 08:46pm

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Originally Posted by PWL
That's a different situation than a team trying to lose so they can win. Hope they get smoked in the LLWS.

I never was a Nebraska football fan, but I gained a world of respect for Tom Osborne when he went for the two point conversion and the win. He could have easily settled for a tie and a national championship in the Orange Bowl years ago. I don't think anyone ever second guessed him for his decision. If you want to be number one, go in through the front door not the back.

Ummm, lots of people questioned his decision to do that.

I'll get on the VT coach for making a mockery of the game that lead to the NH coach doing the same. The VT coach started it by throwing wild pitches. He should have just let the game play out, not said anything, then the NH coach would have done the same. When the VT coach started telling kids to lose intentionally, the NH coach was well within his right to do the same, IMO.

Carl Childress Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:35pm

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Originally Posted by UMP25
What does Freedom of Speech have to do with this? I am a staunch defender of the First Amendment, but with Free Speech comes the responsibility of what to say and when.

The NYT is a piece of schit, pure and simple. They no longer have an ounce of credibility and have had a dangerous agenda for years. To put it mildly, they're nuts. They've become so bad that they're hurting big time. Their subscription numbers are down dramatically, and their ad revenue is also down. They've fired hundreds of employees lately as a result. And why is this so? Because people with common sense realize this newspaper is nothing but a partisan rag with no qualms about harming the United States. I say this not as some right-winger, either.

Sorry. You couldn't say anything that would be more wrong.

The <i>Times</i> is the newspaper of record in the USA, and their stance on current issues is progressive, intelligent, and well-supported.

The only place they have lost credibilithy is where they never had it, with the right-wing, your protestation to the contrary notwithstanding, as the cliche goes.

Take a look even at the rags you're fond of. EVERYBODY quotes the <i>Times</i>.

BTW: Could you give a source for your figures on the decline of the Times?

UMP25 Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:01pm

Ah, "progressive," "intelligent"--the euphemisms of the uber-left. That doesn't surprise me, just as it doesn't surprise me that you'd lump me into the right-wing because I happen to agree with more and more Americans who see the NYT for what it is--a piece of rag that gets its jollies bashing anyone to the right of Ted Kennedy.

"Progressive," huh? Is that why the Times hasn't endorsed, for example, a Republican for president in 50 years? The only reason the Times is the newspaper of record is because it's in our largest city, and NY is the largest media outlet in the country.

PWL Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:13am

More than one way to skin a rat......
 
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Originally Posted by TussAgee11
Ummm, lots of people questioned his decision to do that.

I'll get on the VT coach for making a mockery of the game that lead to the NH coach doing the same. The VT coach started it by throwing wild pitches. He should have just let the game play out, not said anything, then the NH coach would have done the same. When the VT coach started telling kids to lose intentionally, the NH coach was well within his right to do the same, IMO.

Hate to break it to you, but you weren't even born when this took place. Some people said he could have taken the easy way out, but as I recall he was praised for being man enough to either win or lose the game.

I don't believe Herm Edwards said, "You play to tie the game." If there had been OT back then, of course go for the tie. He put the whole season and national championship on one play. It was do or die, not make an out so we can lose the game and advance.

I don't know if it is within the rules, but the VT coach might have possibly had the kid come down with a sudden injury or sickness to avoid having to bat the player. What about the squawking that the NH people would have raised then. I bet they would have been raising holy heck over something like that.

Rich Tue Aug 15, 2006 07:46am

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Originally Posted by Carl Childress
Sorry. You couldn't say anything that would be more wrong.

The <i>Times</i> is the newspaper of record in the USA, and their stance on current issues is progressive, intelligent, and well-supported.

The only place they have lost credibilithy is where they never had it, with the right-wing, your protestation to the contrary notwithstanding, as the cliche goes.

Take a look even at the rags you're fond of. EVERYBODY quotes the <i>Times</i>.

BTW: Could you give a source for your figures on the decline of the Times?

Progressive is just a fancy word for "really, really liberal." I live in the Berkeley of the Midwest and our afternoon paper is called "progressive." It editorializes on the front page without apology. I subscribe cause it only costs an extra $5 a month and it gives me a good laugh in the afternoon.

If the Times is the paper of record and their stance is "well-supported" why did the Republican win the 2004 presidential election? I mean, the Times endorsed Kerry.

Rich Tue Aug 15, 2006 07:52am

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Originally Posted by GarthB
Let's see, the NYT, with 116 Pulitzer Prizes, more than any other newspater, according to it's SEC filings had increases in both subscription and ad revenues during Q2, 2006, this while much of the media suffered from a decline of ad dollars spent in several of the industry segments, including entertainment and automotive.

You need to get your news from someone other than Bill O'Reilly.

I read the NYT to balance the local neanderthal press. I add Time Magazine and NewsWeeK to the mix and I believe I get a fairly god picture.

(Sources: NYT Q2 Filing and "Seeking Media.")

Garth,

The NYT has increased circulation and revenues only by trying to sell more subscriptions outside of its home area.

"Falling home-market circulation. Circulation has fallen 16% in the NYT’s home market in this decade, from 665,000 to 556,000, but you can’t find the numbers in the Company’s 10K. Rather, you have to perform some arithmetic gymnastics on old and new 10K’s to uncover these figures about its poor performance in its 31-county home market. The Times has seen its comparable circulation decline by 27% since 1993 (the first year that such figures were available online), when it had a circulation of 758,000. Its current 556,000 circulation places it a dismal number three in its home market behind the Daily News (689,000) and the NY Post (663,000)."

--Rich


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