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sm_bbcoach Sat Jul 22, 2006 08:26am

It happened last night
 
NF rules being used. R1 on 1st. R1 leads off, and then goes on the pitch. As he is running, his helmet comes off (not intentional). Batter hits ball and it strikes the helmet -helmet was sitting on the baseline between 1&2, no fielder in position to make the play. and goes into right field. After lengthly discussion, umpires leave the runners on 1st & 3rd (bases they stopped at when ball was retrieved).

Did they make the correct call?

Is it the same call in LL and OBR?

Thanks

UmpJM Sat Jul 22, 2006 08:29am

sm_bbcoach,

Absent intent by the runner to interfere, that's a live ball, play the bounce. Fed, LL, or OBR.

JM

NFump Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:41am

Aw come on! This runner did this intentionally! You've got to call him out and the batter-runner too! (No, not really. Just using someone else's line of thought on things like this. I'll give you one guess as to who that might be.)

bossman72 Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:26am

what if the helmet was up a little further (in front of imaginary fair/foul line) and bounced off the helmet and went foul? do we have a foul ball?

UmpJM Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bossman72
what if the helmet was up a little further (in front of imaginary fair/foul line) and bounced off the helmet and went foul? do we have a foul ball?

Yep. No different than hitting the rubber.

JM

bossman72 Sat Jul 22, 2006 05:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachJM
Yep. No different than hitting the rubber.

JM


Thought so. Thanks for confirming.

bluezebra Sat Jul 22, 2006 05:31pm

The helmet is a foreign object, and is NOT a part of the playing field. FAIR BALL.

Bob

Dave Reed Sat Jul 22, 2006 07:45pm

PBUC 4.21 Batted ball strikes helmet or bat.
If a batted ball strikes a helmet accidently (no intent on part of runner to interfere) in fair territory, the ball remains in play the same as if it had not hit the helmet.
If a batted ball strikes a helmet accidently (no intent on part of runner to interfere) in foul territory, it is a foul ball.

J/R say the same thing:
"a batted ball that strikes an unatural object (a) over fair territory remains live, and is fair or foul according the directives immediately preceeding. (b) over foul territory is foul and dead.

So in the situation by bossman72, the ball becomes foul when it ends up foul. In the OP case, in which the ball ended up fair, it is a fair ball.

UmpJM Sat Jul 22, 2006 09:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluezebra
The helmet is a foreign object, and is NOT a part of the playing field. FAIR BALL.

Bob

Bob,

While I would certainly agree that the helmet is a "foreign object" and not part of the playing field, hitting a foreign object on/over fair territory does not determine the fair/foul staus of a batted ball - whereas hitting a foreign object on/over foul territory does.

JM


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