help with calls made last night's game

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by csuram

next one in the same game runner at first.... batter hits ball that then hits runner..1st baseman picks up ball after it hits runner and tags first before batter gets to first...ump calls delayed dead ball ...calls runner out and batter out...is this possible..thanks for all your help..csuram

The umpire incorrectly ruled in this case. First of all, if you are playing by pro rules, there is no such call as "delayed dead ball." The ball is either alive or dead. On plays such as obstruction or batter's interference when there is a possibility that the ball will become dead at a later time, no call is made until that time. Delayed dead ball is a HS and LL call. Secondly, as soon as the ball hit the runner before it reached F3, the ball is immediately dead, R1 is out for interference, and the batter-runner is awarded 1st base. There is no way to get two outs on this play. The umpire blew it.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

The umpire incorrectly ruled in this case. First of all, if you are playing by pro rules, there is no such call as "delayed dead ball." The ball is either alive or dead. On plays such as obstruction or batter's interference when there is a possibility that the ball will become dead at a later time, no call is made until that time. Delayed dead ball is a HS and LL call. Secondly, as soon as the ball hit the runner before it reached F3, the ball is immediately dead, R1 is out for interference, and the batter-runner is awarded 1st base. There is no way to get two outs on this play. The umpire blew it.

Delayed dead ball in FED is not for interference. The ball is dead IMMEDIATELY.

Actually it IS possible to get two outs on an interference call. If the umpire rules that the runner INTENTIONALLY interfered, the BR is also out.

Bob

[tibear]

If in the umpires opinion the defense would have probably had a double play had the runner not touched the ball the result would be the runner and the batter would both be retired.

[takt]

You can't expect the runner to disappear. If in the umpire's opinion the runner intentionally touched the ball (as bluezebra pointed out) then a double play is awarded. Otherwise, interference is called, runner is called out, and BR is at first.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

Delayed dead ball in FED is not for interference. The ball is dead IMMEDIATELY.

Actually it IS possible to get two outs on an interference call. If the umpire rules that the runner INTENTIONALLY interfered, the BR is also out.

Bob

The first two situations in FED where INT is a delayed dead ball that come to mind are coaches interference and batters interference.


Tim.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

Delayed dead ball in FED is not for interference. The ball is dead IMMEDIATELY.

Actually it IS possible to get two outs on an interference call. If the umpire rules that the runner INTENTIONALLY interfered, the BR is also out.

Bob

That is incorrect. Batter's Interference is a delayed dead ball in FED.

In the situation given, it sounds like the umpire incorrectly called both the runner and the BR out. It sounded as though the batted ball just happened to hit the runner. Without intent, it is impossible to call two outs on that play. That is what I thought I was inferring when I wrote what I did. I guess I have to be more careful when using absolutes, because someone will always state an exception to the rule.

[csuram]

guys what about not being able to call my players over when they call time and coach goes and talks to pitcher...i am being told i can only talk to my players once per inning...if he goes out for the next time out i cannot bring my players over and talk to them..thanks

[LMan]

Husker answered your question:

Sitch 1: As long as you do not delay the game any further, you can talk to your players when the defense is conferring. If you continue to talk to your players after the defensive conference is over, then you can be charged with the offensive conference.

[DG]

Originally Posted by csuram

guys what about not being able to call my players over when they call time and coach goes and talks to pitcher...i am being told i can only talk to my players once per inning...if he goes out for the next time out i cannot bring my players over and talk to them..thanks

When playing FED rules, if offensive coach calls TO to confer with batter or runners then he can only have one per inning. If he gathers batter or runners together during a TO called by defense as long as this discussion breaks up about the same time the defensive conference does, ie no delay of game, he is not charged with an offensive conference. This can happen more than once per inning.

In OBR he can call TO for as many offensive conferences per inning as the PU will stand for. There is no such thing as being charged with an offensive conference in OBR.

[SanDiegoSteve]

If, on the other hand, the offensive coach requests and is granted time to confer with a batter or a runner, and the defensive coach goes out to talk to his pitcher during the offensive conference, the defensive coach is charged with a trip to the mound (NCAA and OBR/PBUC official interpretation).

[csuram]

so do we all agree with pro rules a. I can talk to my runners and batter as many times as i want per inning without being charged a time out if we break up when they break up....and B. in pro rules runner is out and batter gets 1st...15yr old babe ruth plays pro rules...thanks csuram

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by csuram

guys what about not being able to call my players over when they call time and coach goes and talks to pitcher...i am being told i can only talk to my players once per inning...if he goes out for the next time out i cannot bring my players over and talk to them..thanks

In FED, Little League, and most other rules codes I'm familiar with, the "other" team can conference for free when a team has a charged conference. I'm don't know if there is a specific ruling in support or to the contrary for your Cal Ripken, but if I were a bettor, I would bet that such an interpretation exists.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

In FED, Little League, and most other rules codes I'm familiar with, the "other" team can conference for free when a team has a charged conference. I'm don't know if there is a specific ruling in support or to the contrary for your Cal Ripken, but if I were a bettor, I would bet that such an interpretation exists.

Well, Dave, if you were really paying attention, he said it was Babe Ruth, who could never, ever be mistaken for Cal Ripken. Babe Ruth, playing as he put it "pro rules," which probably means modified OBR. And under OBR, I just posted the proper interp. The offense can confer during a defensive charged trip, but the defense cannot have a free trip during an offensive conference.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Well, Dave, if you were really paying attention, he said it was Babe Ruth, who could never, ever be mistaken for Cal Ripken.

Cal Ripken is the 12 yearold division of Babe Ruth Baseball, Inc. So sue me.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

That is incorrect. Batter's Interference is a delayed dead ball in FED.

That's right, and batter's interference is enforced exactly the same way in OBR, which is why it is unhelpful when instructing neophyte coaches to say things like "there's no such thing as delayed dead ball in OBR."

It's a concept, not a stipulated rule, and it is valid in several instances in OBR as well as FED.