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bossman72 Fri Jul 07, 2006 07:18pm

Foul tip caught, foul ball, or out?
 
This almost happened today- i'm not sure what i would have called so i want to check on here with you guys:

What if the ball goes sharp and direct to the mitt, then becomes temporarily stuck behind the catcher's chest protector, then eventually falls out after about 3 full seconds, and the catcher catches it before it hits the ground.

What do you have and why?

BigUmp56 Fri Jul 07, 2006 08:25pm

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Originally Posted by bossman72
This almost happened today- i'm not sure what i would have called so i want to check on here with you guys:

What if the ball goes sharp and direct to the mitt, then becomes temporarily stuck behind the catcher's chest protector, then eventually falls out after about 3 full seconds, and the catcher catches it before it hits the ground.

What do you have and why?


I think I'll go with the MLBUM interpretation on a ball lodged in the catcher's equipment.


8-21-03 @ WUA Site — When a live ball enters a player's uniform or the catcher's gear, the ball is to be ruled dead and no subsequent outs can be obtained by the defense. The umpire is then directed to employ common sense and fairness and place the runners such that the act of the ball becoming dead is nullified. The umpire may not, however, enforce any outs that he thinks may have occurred had the ball remained live. Outs occurring before the ball went out of play stand.

Tim.

DG Fri Jul 07, 2006 08:44pm

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Originally Posted by BigUmp56
I think I'll go with the MLBUM interpretation on a ball lodged in the catcher's equipment.


8-21-03 @ WUA Site — When a live ball enters a player's uniform or the catcher's gear, the ball is to be ruled dead and no subsequent outs can be obtained by the defense. The umpire is then directed to employ common sense and fairness and place the runners such that the act of the ball becoming dead is nullified. The umpire may not, however, enforce any outs that he thinks may have occurred had the ball remained live. Outs occurring before the ball went out of play stand.

Tim.

And, if it was a third strike the batter is out because it hit the catcher's mitt first and never touched the ground.

SAump Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:46pm

Help, How Do I Get Out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DG
And, if it was a third strike the batter is out because it hit the catcher's mitt first and never touched the ground.

The deab ball status and the uncaught third strike sceam FOUL BALL.

The catcher dislodged the ball from beneath his (attached) equipment.

What have I failed to consider to get a strike OUT call?

TussAgee11 Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:01pm

"The umpire may not, however, enforce any outs that he thinks may have occurred had the ball remained live."

FOUL BALL!

bossman72 Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:30am

Would your rulings be any different in FED?

mrm21711 Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:04pm

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Originally Posted by DG
And, if it was a third strike the batter is out because it hit the catcher's mitt first and never touched the ground.

What? The ball still was never caught.

SanDiegoSteve Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:11pm

It was caught, but by rule, once it entered the player's uniform it becomes a dead ball. There is no "waiting period" to see if it comes back out. The ball is dead immediately upon becoming lodged in the catcher's gear, and no outs can be enforced on the play after the ball becomes dead. The ruling would be a foul ball, so in this case, no outs on this play.

DG Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:00pm

I based my comment on the fact that the ball "becomes temporarily stuck behind the catcher's chest protector, then eventually falls out after about 3 full seconds, and the catcher catches it before it hits the ground." The catcher did not pull out a lodged ball, it just fell out. 3 seconds is a long time so I can see how an umpire would rule the ball is lodged, and therefore dead. But, I'm not aware of a time limit on a ball to be considered lodged so in the judgement of this umpire it wasn't if it fell out on it's own in 3 seconds.

What if a ball got by the catcher and stuck in the backstop fencing, and as the catcher went back to get it, but before he touched it, it fell to the ground?

What if a ball bounces under the catcher on a swinging 3rd strike, runs up the umpire's leg and hits him in the throat, underneath the extension on his mask, sticks there briefly and then drops to the ground when the umpire jerks his head back as he realizes he has been hit in the throat and the ball is still there?

What is the time limit on being lodged?

BigUmp56 Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:03pm

In reading the MLBUM interpretation I would say it's considered lodged as soon as it enters the gear.


Tim.


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