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Dave Hensley Sat Jul 01, 2006 05:19pm
I have received a reply to my email inquiry from Jim Evans. Without going into unnecessary detail, he confirmed that PWL's interpretation of tag up requirements with respect to a fair vs. foul fly ball is incorrect, and if PWL's understanding came from something Jim said, it was very definitely a misunderstanding.

I trust that I have sufficient credibility with most of the readers here to be trusted that I am conveying Jim's response accurately.

SanDiegoSteve Sat Jul 01, 2006 05:28pm
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Originally Posted by PWL
No, I think the one where you said you could have been a ML umpire is still the all time number one. Unless you meant tie for number two. Shoot, we've all been there........:p
Well, I guarantee I had a 100% better chance of becoming a MLB umpire than you have of becoming a competent one.

SanDiegoSteve Sat Jul 01, 2006 05:34pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Hensley
I have received a reply to my email inquiry from Jim Evans. Without going into unnecessary detail, he confirmed that PWL's interpretation of tag up requirements with respect to a fair vs. foul fly ball is incorrect, and if PWL's understanding came from something Jim said, it was very definitely a misunderstanding.

I trust that I have sufficient credibility with most of the readers here to be trusted that I am conveying Jim's response accurately.
Well, now that we have heard from PWL's close, personal friend Jim Evans, that PWL did not get this erroneous information from him, perhaps now PWL will acknowledge that we were right, and quit making attacks on other peoples' characters, personal lives, and past mistakes. I will try not to point out the many false statements that he has made in the past as well.

Now, admit you were wrong and let's move on.:)

UmpJM Sat Jul 01, 2006 05:56pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Hensley
I have received a reply to my email inquiry from Jim Evans. Without going into unnecessary detail, he confirmed that PWL's interpretation of tag up requirements with respect to a fair vs. foul fly ball is incorrect, and if PWL's understanding came from something Jim said, it was very definitely a misunderstanding.

I trust that I have sufficient credibility with most of the readers here to be trusted that I am conveying Jim's response accurately.
Dave,

FWIW, I personally have no question that what you say is true. I have been reading what you post (both here and elsewhere) for over 6 years now, and, if memory serves, I have NEVER seen you post anything misleading, untrue, or even incorrect for that matter. Thank you for sharing what you know with those of us who know less.

I am a little curious as to whether Mr. Evans found your inquiry more amusing or more annoying. If you should choose not to satisfy my curiosity on this point, I certainly understand.

Sincerely,

John

Dave Hensley Sat Jul 01, 2006 06:17pm
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Originally Posted by CoachJM
Dave,

FWIW, I personally have no question that what you say is true. I have been reading what you post (both here and elsewhere) for over 6 years now, and, if memory serves, I have NEVER seen you post anything misleading, untrue, or even incorrect for that matter. Thank you for sharing what you know with those of us who know less.

I am a little curious as to whether Mr. Evans found your inquiry more amusing or more annoying. If you should choose not to satisfy my curiosity on this point, I certainly understand.

Sincerely,

John
The latter, but not because of my specific question, just the frequency with which he has to deal with mis-attributions in general. He was also aware that somebody was spoofing his identity on the McGriff's board recently, and kind of threw this into the same general category. Unfortunately, I think Jim thinks the internet does more harm than good in the area of baseball rules and umpiring discussions. I don't agree, and I think he thinks this because he's only exposed to a lot of the silliness, and he doesn't see the everyday occurrence of umpires asking questions in good faith and getting accurate and helpful answers, like we do.

I think he would be OK with my passing along one thing he said - if you ever see someone posting on an internet board as Jim Evans, you can be assured it's a spoof and not him, because he will never post to an internet board.

UmpJM Sat Jul 01, 2006 06:31pm
Dave,

Thanks for indulging me. Your answer (all of it) does not surprise me in the least.

I almost met Mr. Evans last November (at the invitation of my editor) when he was in Ft. Worth for a weekend clinic and I was in Dallas on a business trip. Unfortunately, some personal commitments I had made prevented me from taking advantage of the opportunity.

Maybe sometime in the future.

Thanks again.

JM

GarthB Sat Jul 01, 2006 07:00pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Hensley
I have received a reply to my email inquiry from Jim Evans. Without going into unnecessary detail, he confirmed that PWL's interpretation of tag up requirements with respect to a fair vs. foul fly ball is incorrect, and if PWL's understanding came from something Jim said, it was very definitely a misunderstanding.

I trust that I have sufficient credibility with most of the readers here to be trusted that I am conveying Jim's response accurately.
Since I also have benfitted from hearing this rule presented and discussed by Jim, and since I've "known" you for about eight years, I have no problem with what you have posted or your credibility.

Additionally, I know that had you been incorrect, you would have reported that here with equal timeliness and frankness.

BRump Sat Jul 01, 2006 07:01pm
Thanks for humoring me. I went back and re-read the foul ball definition and found out that I was misreading it. Never was very good with grammar. ;) Truthfully, I've never seen a foul ball juggled. It's either been caught or dropped, so that's a new one for me.

NFump Sat Jul 01, 2006 08:21pm
Would like to know what?

NFump Sat Jul 01, 2006 08:22pm
The unnecessary details?

lmathews19 Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:51pm
PWL: could you make a little more sense when you say that you would like to know? How about saying, "Okay, I admit I was wrong, lets move on now". Humility is a great thing brother, it sounds like you need a dose of it. Dave basically proved you wrong, so just admit that you misrepresented Mr. Evans and misunderstood him when he was discussing the situation. It's simple man, I promise you will feel better:)

Dave Hensley Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:11am
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Originally Posted by PWL
Okay, so you're drinking the Kool-Aid that Tim is spreading also. I spent alot of time today researching old threads on several forums. It's seems Tim has mentioned my moniker on several of them. The person who posts in the name of Jim Evans has a handful of post on McGriffs. They are posted as rule interpretations and there are times where Tim has gone off the deep end and attacked said poster as myself.

He has evened mentioned my moniker on the ABUA website and his own website with derogatory comments. It just goes to show how small minded he is in his own right.

Now, all I mentioned was that I had spoken briefly that day with Mr. Evans to clarify what he said. If I misunderstood in anyway, then it is my fault. It's always confused me to a certain point why the rule book said the ball must be caught and another rule said when touched. I thought all those years I was actually wrong.

Dave, it seems to me you had a long conversation with Mr. Evans just to ask a simple question. I don't understand all this being part of the original issue. I spoke to him also about these forums and he told me that had a certain value, but I don't feel that he really endorsed these kind. I sure wouldn't. I find most here to be boisterous and egomaniacal. A few border on the neurotic side.

BTW-You don't post on McGriffs as Zeus do you?
I haven't been drinking anybody's Kool-Aid. From the get-go, I have allowed that your erroneous interpretation of the rule in question was an honest mistake, an honest misunderstanding of what Jim Evans said in conversation with you.

I have not and will not speculate on who is posting as Jim Evans on McGriff's or any other site. I passed along a statement he made to me, that it is not (and never will be) him, that is all.

I do not, never have and never will, post anonymously on McGriff's or any other board. I haven't read McGriff's board in a couple of years. I have only recently started participating on this board and eteamz, after something of a hiatus from public boards.

UmpJM Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:29am
Dave,

Even when you're nice to him, he behaves like a moron. Personally, I'd recommend just ignoring him.

JM

BigUmp56 Mon Jul 03, 2006 09:13am
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Originally Posted by PWL
Okay, so you're drinking the Kool-Aid that Tim is spreading also. I spent alot of time today researching old threads on several forums. It's seems Tim has mentioned my moniker on several of them. The person who posts in the name of Jim Evans has a handful of post on McGriffs. They are posted as rule interpretations and there are times where Tim has gone off the deep end and attacked said poster as myself.

You're probably right again. There's another umpire with an Arlington Texas IP address posting as "Jim Evans" on McGriffs that has accused me of stealing the JEA, defames my legal name and acts like a 12 year old child.


What was I thinking.


Tim.

BigUmp56 Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by PWL
You should be a fertilizer salesman because you really lay it on thick. Yeah Tim, I drive all the way to Arlington to use a computer to do these things.

Oh where did you get the idiot to post as Sarah Evans. Was that you or someone else? Dude, you are sick.:(

Hmmmm......

You've mentioned several times that you are from The Dallas/Forth Worth area. Arlington sits right between the two. Here's your IP address and the information I obtained by tracking it. Coincidence? I think not.

Location: United States [City: Arlington, Texas]

Comcast Cable Communications, IP Services EASTERNSHORE-1 (NET-24-0-0-0-1)
24.0.0.0 - 24.15.255.255
Comcast Cable Communications TEXAS-8 (NET-24-0-0-0-2)
24.0.0.0 - 24.1.255.255

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2006-07-02 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.


Tim.


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