Worst Coach Tirade Ever?
 

You be the judge, I don't think I've seen anything like this not even from Pinella. I gather from reading the article that the video is only a sample of the behavior.

http://sports.espn.go.com/minorlbb/n...ory?id=2500470

Our local news channel showed the entire video. Amazing, unbelievable, to say the least.

Amazing. The umpires showed alot of class by shutting their mouths and not saying a word. I don't know if I could have done that.

It goes without saying that if the "replacement" umps were out there, this would have never happened!

;)

I love how PU looked like he was just writing it all down towards the end.

Good job blues. That guy is a headcase. Never seen one that bad.

Does anybody know what set him off? The article suggested that it all started over a pickoff attempt, but who goes crazy over a failed pick off? I doubt the runner was just nailed by a great amount if at all.

On another note he did show some nice athleticism on the head first slide. I think he may have been out of the baseline though:p

I'll one up you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueLI3...ect%20baseball

Maybe not as good, but sometimes you just wonder where players get off acting like idiots. And coaches too.

The Ark-Miss video is an example of a player unable to control his rage and displaying anger. The minor league coach just went off the deep end. The coach was just insane, the player was angry. Were either justified, not really, but I do see them as different. The player seemed to be calculating in this course of action, even rational (trying to get a call and angry that he didn't). I don't see any thought process going through the coaches head, just pure craziness.

Either way these guys have something wrong with their medula oblangata.

What a pair of boobs.

I think if I were the PU, I might have decked this a$$hole! I don't think I could take a jerk like this anymore!

There's something wrong with this story, or this fellow. Going ballistic over a "safe" call on a pick-off play at 2B? That's ridiculous.

As for the umpires, I suppose you can keep your cool by reflecting on the facts that: 1) it's all part of the show, and not about you, and 2) this guy's career won't be advancing much further.

Here is what he said after the game. Thinking he made need some therapy.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

I like the irony of this statement:

"I thought the strike was over," Mikulik told the Lexington Herald-Leader. "When will the real umpires show up? That's what I want to know. Because that was an abortion. That was bad. I just wish the umpire's association would train their young men to have a personality. I could get two mannequins at Sears and umpire better than what I saw this whole series.
The whole series was awful."




...did the AMLU keep Asheville in the dark an extra week or so? :D

If the replacement umps were there, this surely would not have happened. These AMLU guys just don't know how to handle these kinds of situations.

I think he owes an apology to everyone who has ever had an abortion...

PDX, your axe grinding doesnt do you well here, considering the thread...soapbox somewhere else

Just returning the second guessing favor to the AMLU guys. No soapbox. I KNOW what I am about. I got about another month and a half of poking fun at these idiots to settle the score! ;)

Of course, when I did PCL games, we didn't have anything close to something like this happen. In fact, in the 30 or so games in Portland, there were only 2 ejections, and they were the normal garden variety types.

I am facinated by the fact that the AMLU guys recieve so little respect from managers and players! The way they (AMLU umpires) put it while replacements were working, there should be NO problems right now!!! I just don't understand why there are SO many stories in such a short amount of time about how these guys are blowing calls, and not be very "good" in a series and what not.

I must say I agree with PDX, WWTB, and the rest of the guys on this side of the debate. For weeks all we heard was how great the AMLU umpires are, and how when they come back everything will be just Jim Dandy, and the scabs don't have any game management skills. Now we see that the managers and players are no more enamoured with the regular guys than they were with the replacements. Everything is not rosy peachy keen as advertised, and the games are not running smooth as silk upon the return of the minor league umpires.

Anybody who doesn't see the irony in this is not looking at it without bias.

hmmmmmmmmm

Managers & Players will complain
 

Managers and players will complain, that's what they do.

What bothered me most about the AMLU's publicizing of these types of incidents when the replacment umpires were doing the games was their suggestion that it would not happen if they were working. Everyone with half a brain knows these incidents happen no matter who the umpires are or how good they are.

The AMLU made a huge deal over the manager pulling his team off the field in disgust. They didn't mention that he was behind 11-5 or that the opposing team had batted around twice on his pitcher at the time he pulled his players off the field for their "safety." Think he would have pulled his team off the field leading 11-5? Heck no.

There is some healing that needs to go on in the umpire community and the AMLU needs to take the lead in that. It would help if their members stopped circulating a blacklist to try to prevent amateur guys from getting work.

Off topic and irrelevant to the conversation, but other than that, a ridiculous analogy.

Referring to PWL's post (for clarification)

Man you guys are bitter. You worked the games, you were used as a pawn and now you want to try to explain away your actions. Did you expect that everyone was going to pat you on the back when the strike was on? Many of you only worked at one site the entire time and you were let go after the strike was over. Get over it already.

I do not believe that many amateur umpires would have been as calm and cool as these guys. These union guys handled themselves perfectly.

Peace

Well, I do know that I look MUCH better in my uniform than the above! :D Are those combo pants? Has he heard of a tailor?

Maybe had you not dimished his ability to bargain for a fair wage by accepting his work, he could afford a tailor.



Tim.

The manager is just expressing his joy that the strike is over ;)

For only working part time for less than half the year, he makes very good money! He probably isn't even worth what he DOES make really!

ROFLMAO!!!

I think it is funny that the UMP's that were "Terrible" and lacked "GAME MANAGEMENT SKILLS" somehow diminished the Unions ability to negotiate. Wouldn't those types of people actually strengthen the AMLU position???:rolleyes:

What actually happend was that the UMP's were in fact good, maybe even (but probably not) AS good , but still GOOD, I guess one might say "GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE GAL WE GO WITH" So that effected their ability to negotiate. They positioned them elves as irreplaceable and were shown to be WAY off on their belief. They felt they were worth more because the were the BEST option and no other OPTION WAS CLOSE. The Strike PROVED THE AMLU WRONG. The first thought they had was WHO CARES if people cross WE ARE HEADS AND SHOULDERS better. but that wasn't the case. The Strike proved that they were not worth that much more because the MARKET would show that the MiLB could pay the same price for a similar product.

Hey now - the kids are stuck with what MiLB sends them (+POS screwed up this year & MiLB had to send some Honigs pants out. Some guys got no plate pants & some got only plate pants. The exchanges are just now catching up).

Just an FYI - this manager has a looooonnnngggg history of umpire abuse. Even the fill-in's had problems with him and his players.

The league president (Moss) is gutless. If this happend in either of the AAA leagues or any of the other A leagues Mikilik(sp) would be heaviliy fines and suspended for at least 10 games.

**** Now for the interesting part ****

due to an injury, the next crew into Ashville is going to have a fill-in, at least for a couple games. Unless Mikilik is suspended first, let's see who he picks on ... anyone for a pool?

I can see what the manager was saying about "mannequins." Haha jeez.


But really, are we supposed to handle ourselves like these umpires and just flat out TAKE this abuse after an ejection? Where were the other umpires to try to escort this coach away (like i've seen in NCAA video bulletins)? Are we really supossed to stand there like mannequins and just let the coach unload on us like this if this would ever happen to us?

Exactly. Where the HELL is the plate umpire to pick and roll this idiot off the base umpire? I'd never let my partner hung out to dry like the plate umpire did. And I'm just a lowly little amateur.

This was Single A ball, so its very possible that it was a 2-man crew. Now, maybe the PU should have tried to intervene at the beginning, but once the coach started after him, what else is there to do besides turn around and walk away?

And as far as taking the abuse, honestly Bossman what would you have done? Yelled back at him while he was squirting the plate with a water bottle? There's an old saying: Fight fools with silence. Works everytime for me :D .

i dont see how there is a difference between the beginning of an argument and the middle of it...its an argument no matter how you put it. just because i dont catch the coach before he can get out there doesnt mean im giving him a free ticket to stay out there. when its time to get in there, its time to get in there. i havent seen the video so i dont know where in teh sequence that picture came from, but i personally dont think theres a time to just walk away and let the house burn down.

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the 'Old school' solution of getting right back in the manager/coach/player's face are over. MiLB want's the umpires to let them vent (As long as he isn't attacking anyone) until he leaves. Let the league president deal with it by way of fine &/or suspension.

The video doesn't show if the PU was there ready to peeel the mgr off. I will ask the crew if they want to make any comments AFTER the league is done with whatever they do.

Frankly, as gutless as Moss (SAL President) is, had one of the umpires said 'boo' he would suspend them. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Mikilik get's away with a small fine and a game or two suspension (If any).

As an umpire it SUCKS! I was taught and came up using the old school method. Only take so much, then fire right back. As a fill-in (Pre-strike) I did have a couple league presidents ask me to back down, so I modified things a tad ... but just a tad.

I shocked a rookie a couple of weeks ago in a game when I was shouting back at a coach (who I know pretty well, and we get along great normally). The noob actually tried to break up the arguement. LOL I chewed HIS *** for that after the game. How dare him get in the middle of my perfectly good "show" for the fans.

No ejections though.

I can't remember a MLB case where the umpire took so much abuse without giving as good as he got. Is this what it takes to get to the show, where you can unload on the guy. These guys were comatose.

They are probably comatose because they have absolutely NO idea what to say back!

They are probably about 24 years old, only have umpired at most 2 years, and probably DID blow the call! LOL

Single A umps are not all that great. They truely are rookies in umpiring circles. You can train them all you want, but until they get 500 games under their belt, they are going to do bonehead stuff, and not deal with situations very well.

I think Mikulik was hoping that the umpires would argue back and give as good as he did. I believe that this is what prompted his "Sears mannequin" remark and the association training remark, because these two umpires have the personalities of a bag of rocks.

Seven years as a single A manager? Where does he think he's going? That's probably why he goes ballistic, because he knows his days are numbered.

i didnt mean in my post that id get back in someones face, i meant that id try to assist my partner and the guy out of there in a non-aggressive way. i know what you are talking about with the old way, and thats not my approach. some level of venting is alright to me, but it seems like a bit much was allowed here. of course this is an extreme situation where the guy clearly went off the deep end, but even in a "normal" heated situation i think there has to be somewhat of an attempt by the partner to help calm the situation and split things up. im not as trained as these guys are, so maybe im off here, plus i havent seen teh video, but ah ill just leave it at that until i can get the video working...

ESPN just reported he got a seven day suspension and a $1000 fine.

You are correct, sir.

ANAHEIM, Ca. – Rockies pitcher Scott Dohmann said what makes Joe Mikulik special to play for in the minor leagues is Miulik’s passion for the game.
Mikulik, however, got a little too passionate in his job as manager of the Rockies Single-A Asheville affiliate during the weekend, and faces a week-long suspension and $1,000 fine, the Rocky Mountain News learned.

They don't seem to be back in mid-season form yet, that's for sure. Or, having just come back, they are terrified of fighting back/calling attention to themselves as they have been shown to be in a quite vulnerable position IRT MiLB.


Or, they are just exhausted from carrying those picket signs for so long ;)

Stone Cold Stunner, and he'd be out for the count.

Oh yes, complete with the middle fingers and violent drinking of beer afterwards. :D


But seriously, i don't know if i would just take it like that with a blank expression on my face and let the manager unload. The manager is probably thinking "what the hell- is this guy from The Piano?" I personally wouldn't have done the "mime technique" as these guys did in the video...

What do you say to a manager you just ejected?
 

Nothing... these guys handled this situation properly IMO. As for the plate umpire coming out to break this situation up, he got it next. When a coach, player, or manager goes this mental, do you honestly believe that you could quietly escort him off the field? He threw a frickin' base for crying out loud! There are no polite words that will calm this idiot down. The best thing to do, I think, is just as these two professionals did... give him room (but don't back away) and try not to get hit by flying bases.

BTW- in umpire school, these guys are instructed on how to handle situations. The training includes the instructors going mental, as well as other things such as batters charging mound, bench clears, ect.

...
 

I saw an incident in Kannapolis (South Atlantic League) last year that was handled differently. The Charleston(SC) skipper had already been out once to question the BU on a balk call. Later in the game, there was a bang-bang play at first. The BU called the batter runner safe and out came the Charleston skipper. The argument started out mildly but then got heated. The BU tossed the skipper and then the guy went nuts. He "beaked" the BU with the bill of his cap. The PU had worked his way from homeplate to about half-way between the mound and the plate when it got heated. As soon as the ejection happened and it got violent, he moved in. I thought he moved a little too slow, but he did move in. He ran interference, without touching the manager, until the ejected manager left the field.

Some time after, I emailed the BU and asked him about the incident. He said the manager actually busted his lip when he hit him. There was a fine issued and a suspension of something like 3 games. The only difference I can see here between the incident I saw and the one on Sunday is that in the Kannapolis incident the manager definitely made contact with the BU. Mikilluk went out of his way not to touch either umpire directly. Mind you that I don't condone anything he did at all.

I got to say that none of us really has a great answer for why the umpires did what they did. Only they can answer for that. Some people want to think because they are A-ball umpires they are the studs of the umpiring world. Some want to think they are bumbling idiots. The truth is they are somewhere in between. They are two young guys learning how to umpire at the professional level. I don't know if they made a mistake because I don't know how they are trained and directed to respond in a case like this. I do know that this, along with other incidents they will face, will be part of their development. What they learned from this and how they apply it in the future will be part of what keeps the moving up the ladder or not..

Lawrence

Because Rats are Rats ..they would ***** if Doug Harvey was out there....
My question to you is, if your the hot ticket..then why aren't you working pro ball full time? I'm sure your skill set would demand due respect from managers and players.....it's sad that baseball is missing out on your true talents..the Walter Mitty of MLB....


your turn....

griff

Wow
 

This made my local news last night. For some reason the link didn't let me play the video.

All I can say is wow.

The news anchor commented after sports, saying: "What an example for our kids."

She was being sarcastic.

Dude should be suspended for the balance of the season, at least.

Strikes and outs!

I knew this Charleston skipper for about 3 years and he's as *** off the field too. He has 2 sons and it's kinda comical yet sad how he gets pissed at his kids for not throwing or stepping and/or hitting the right way. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they both give up baseball just because their dad jammed it down their throat.

He was suspended for 7 games and a $1000 fine.

He's a disgrace to baseball. It would have taken everything in me not to cuss dude out and punch him in the face. What a joke! Even if the calls didn't go his way, there is absolutely no reason to act like that. He should be fired

I could careless about the clown coach who acted like an ***. What should come out of this is how professional the umpires acted. Major kudos for keeping their cool!

7 games and a grand
 

Wow. I mean really. That's the league trying to slap his wrist and missing. What do we expect from this guy or others the next time something like this happens? "It was worth it."

That, friends and neighbors, is what you call a piss-poor call. Not by the umpire- by the league.

Strikes and outs!

Good Lord, I need waders whenever I read what you write Jim.

We read stories and saw photos from the AMLU of replacement umpires who were chastised for the way they looked. This guy looks like he borrowed Shaq's pants. If you can't afford a tailor, then maybe you should get a new career. Cops, teachers, broom pushers don't go out looking like that and expect to be called 'professional'.

Next topic: Mikulik was fined $1,000 and suspended 7 games. He is not in AAA so don't compare the two. He is a hot head, but all of the MiLB woes for the first four weeks were aimed at the repacements - even Delmon Young's idiotic behavior. You can't have it both ways...if you blame the umpires then, you have to do the same now.

Finally, I'll take your bet. He will keep ripping on the umpires who he believes make the bad calls. Did you miss his comment, "I thought the strike was over...the whole series was a joke."? That whole series was officiated by...ummmm, you guessed it - AMLU wonderkids.

Like I said, the difference between A ball and your local college scene is not very drastic. There is a reason why those guys are in that league - the umpires and the players.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Ok Bossman..you win. Can I join?? HAHAHA.

You know, sometimes I miss watching the WWF..or whatever the he11 it's called these days....;)

The base umpire had a classic look of "DEER IN THE HEAD LIGHTS"

or a part time 3rd shift security guard and the bad guy has just shown up (manager) OH S**T.....

The plate umpire never left the dirt cut out around the plate. Never tried to help his partner ....AT ALL....

and when the bad guy approached the plate umpire, it was real clear he wanted to be "ANY WHERE BUT IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME".


but I have to say the combo pants were a nice touch...a little long and baggy but nice touch none the less.

now maybe just maybe the Amlu will start a web site and put the base umpires picture on it as a model for how professional umpires and us amatures should dress to look the part!!!!

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Fines, fees and costs
 

WWTB: Are you suggesting that this punishment is appropriate for Mikulik? Are you saying that what Young got vis-a-vis what Mikulik got is equitable based on (a) Young's physical assault with throwing the bat and (b) the fact that Mikulik's tirade happened in A ball as opposed to AAA, where Young's happened?

If that is indeed your position, I respectfully dissent.

I didn't blame the replacement umpire for Delmond Young throwing a bat at him, by the way. I blamed Delmond Young. I think MiLB took appropriate action in his case.

I do not believe they punished Mikulik nearly enough. A grand and 7 days? Are you kidding me? And if one chooses to bring the old "AMLU-vs.-replacements" into this debate, here's the simple message MiLB just sent: we had the back of the replacements; we'll leave the AMLU guys twisting in the wind.

That's bad for umpires, bad for the Minor Leagues and ultimately, bad for baseball.

Strikes and outs!

Forgive my ignorance, but how much does a minor league manager make? I read somewhere that they average $35,000 a year, though that data may be outdated. I would assume single-A managers would make below the average. So a grand might be a strong percentage of Mikulik's salary.

But is that for 5 months, or all year? What's the per deim? Are their uniform furnished? Do they have other jobs? Medical? Group plans? ;)

Here's the bottom line guys. The argument was 1 on 1. Until contact occurs or somebody else gets involved, arguments stay that way and the partner will not get involved. He'll let his partner take care of his own problems, as he should. Also, for those who said they looked like mannequins, who looked like the jerk here? I commend them for maintaining their compsure and professionalism.

I disagree. A myriad of potential problems can be avoided by stepping in and walking an irrate coach away from your partner. Why wait until he does something even more stupid and bumps your partner or throws a punch for that matter. It's best to head it off before it escalates.


Tim.

big56 i agree. once the bu ejected the manager the pu should have at the very least been near his partner, to at least try to step in an escort the manager off the field. to stand at the plate and become a spectator is not what is expected.

watch any ejection in mlb you will always see other umpires stepping in once there is an ejection. you dont just let your partner sit there and take abuse.

many times it keeps an ugly situation from getting worse.

dontcallme....i'll call you..... by the way that didn't look like much of an argument.

it looked more like a one sided a$$ chewing and two sign post taking the chewing.

SCUMP,
You do mean two PROFESSIONAL sign posts right?;)

without a doubt professional being the optimum word.

ok... just remember that;)

i know they are young umpires, pros no less but i would have expected a little more reaction from both guys and "at least" an attempt by the pu to get the manager off the yard.

the manager may have still gone crazy but you can't sit back and watch your partner fry and make no effort at all.

Take a look at how the first two situations were handled in this video. This is how I expect myself and my partners to act in a potentially volatile situation.

Video


Tim.

Agree, Big Ump. A partner should be coming in and playing rodeo clown ASAP.

for sure big56....

Guys,
Different levels treat arugments different ways. As "Don'tcallme blue" said PRO ball generally treats it one on one (even after the ejection) unless there is contact. After most ejections, the umpire stands his ground, let's the manager/player gets his monies/fine worth (within reason) and then the discussion's over. In amateur ball, including college, the umpire walks away after the ejection and his partner comes in to peel the guy off.

This situation was very unique and I'm guessing the reason the PU did not come up was because he knew it would have been a "rodeo clown" situation and that would have probably been worse. Instead, he stayed back and wrote down everything on the line up card so they could get it right for the report. He also handled it well when the manager came up to him by just walking away. There's really not much you can do when a manager explodes like that.

Generally speaking, when a heated discussion is going on, the nearest umpire should walk (don't jog/run over towards the argument) and get in the vicinity to wear you can hear what's be said. Keep other coaches/players away from the discussion but don't involve yourself either. When the ejection happens, let the guys have their final say and then move in if necessary

sal i agree with a lot of what you said but the pu was not even in ear shot.

also i do not think that the managers tirade would have lasted three mins if the pu had made an attempt to remove the manager by stepping in. even at the big league level you see it all the time, after the ejection and the manager has his say one or more of the umpires steps in to try to difuse the situation.

What also needs to be stated is at the amateur level this would not have gone on very long because the threat of a forfeit would be in order. They ejection would bring an automatic suspension (usually) and any further action would bring more games as a suspension. We have seen before tirades with Lou Pinellia (sp?) and Billy Martin and no suspensions were issued. This is pro ball and you do not see umpires coming to the rescue to handle these disputes. Also if you notice the manager went into the dugout and came out. These guys did as they are told and let this guy rant and rant. We cannot compare our LL experience to what takes place in a Minor League game. It is not an appropriate response to have umpires come to the rescue in situations like this at the pro level. Just like you cannot compare a college game to a HS game. There are different levels of expectations and the penalties are quite different.

Peace

Length of tirade aside...the real issue is:

Is the coach "mainstream" Christian or a member of some fringe "Christrian" group, or none of the above?...

Oh, wait...wrong thread.

Oh, wait, that thread's been locked...what the F....

Ok, I'm still not convinced it was enough
 

This is one tirade, granted. But on that video I saw:

1. An argument with a safe/out call that lasted too long.
2. Sliding into the second base bag, showing the umpire up.
3. Going to home plate and kicking dirt on the plate until it was completely covered.
4. Pouring the bottle of water on to the plate, making a mudpie.
5. Throwing bats out of the dugout.

I'm probably missing something here.

Any one of these 5, taken separately, was worth dumping him. So, in essence, he gets dumped 5 times, plus an extra two. I'd say 10 games, at least, without pay, plus the fine.

It's subjective, I know. Sometimes it makes no rhyme or reason. Stackhouse gets called for an ordinary foul on Shaq. He's suspended. This idiot makes a mockery of the game and he sits for a week.

Strikes and outs!

Not really - click on the link below and follow it down to where it says MORE COVERAGE: Young and Showalter get ejected.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/g...=.jsp&c_id=tex

Ordinary foul? If that was a HS game at the very least you would have an intentional foul for the Stackhouse/Shaq contact. I do not know too many people that would argue if you decided to make that contact a flagrant foul. The NBA has rules for flagrant fouls and suspensions are automatic if the foul is considered to be a "Flagrant 2 Foul." We cannot compare a very strict rule in one sport to why someone got suspended in another sport. The NFL gives out suspensions and fines for things that were not even called during the game. Apples and oranges if you ask me.

Peace

Oh, none of you have had the pleasure of calling Mr. Moss (SAL President for life) after a non-routine ejection have you?

For if you have, then you would be SHOCKED that he got 7 days and $1,000. I'm thinking it was only that long and that high because of the black eye the league took in the media.

Here's a sample of my dealings with Mr. Moss.

(Facts: I called the lead-off hitter for visiting Asheville out on strikes (3 pitches, 3 called strikes) to start the game. I called him out on strikes to end the third inning with runners on base (3 pitches, 3 called strikes). He took 5 fastballs and a breaking ball...and none were close to being a "ball".

He goes into the dugout, starts yelling, tosses his helmet onto the field...at which point I dump him. He comes running out of the dugout, bumps me, has to be restrained by his teammates, goes and throws a gatorade cooler onto the field and then leaves.

Because this is "non-routine" (bumping) I just can't write the report...I have to call the league President.

Here is a paraphrase of my conversation with Mr. Moss.

Me: "Mr. Moss, I'm calling to report a non-routine incident on the field today in Charleston (home team)."

Mr. Moss (in a thick southern drawl): "Yes, I've already heard about it."

Me: "Good sir. Then you know I was bumped today."

Mr. Moss: "Son, what in the hell are you doing to my league?"

Me: "Excuse me sir?"

Mr. Moss: "Was the player in the dugout when you ejected him?"

Me: "Well, yes sir. He tossed his helmet onto the field from the dugout."

Mr. Moss: "But he was in the dugout?"

Me: "Yes sir."

Mr. Moss: "We don't need to go looking for troubles in the dugout. I don't want you tossing people from the dugout."

Me: "Yes sir. Good-bye sir."

[hangs up phone]

Me (to partner in the room): "Its going to be a long season."

Apples and oranges
 

I agree, and that's why I acknowledge the subjective nature of the suspension.

But Rut, do you think Mikulik got enough?

Strikes and outs!

You're sh!tting me.
 

Come, on, counselor. Are you telling me that story with a straight face? The jackass throws stuff OUT OF THE DUGOUT and on to the field and your LP tells you you are looking for trouble?

I believe you, by the way. And frankly, it illuminates the whole sad situation.

Strikes and outs!

sal it is pretty obvious that the pu was not in ear shot by watching the video.

im sure we can agree on this.

maybe in those vides you mentioned no ump stepped in. but in the majority of cases i would bet a fellow umpire would step in, to at least make an attempt to try to difuse the situation.

at least if the pu had been closer i doubt the manager would have walked past him to put on a show at the plate.

The OLD School method at work!

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...5ff221cae1e5ad

I understand where you're coming for brother. I know, as well as you do, that pro ball arguments can be tricky to handle, ie. when to step in and when to leave your partner on his own.

As I posted before, generally speaking, when a heated discussion is going on, the nearest umpire should walk (don't jog/run over towards the argument) and get in the vicinity to wear you can hear what's be said. Keep other coaches/players away from the discussion but don't involve yourself either. When the ejection happens, let the guys have their final say and then move in if necessary.

That's my own personal opinion and guideline on handling arguments. Every situation is different and how I handle things in the Spring (NCAA) and how I go about things in the Summer (Indy Pro ball) are usually not the same.

i like that socblu... at least he's showing bucky he has a back bone......

point well made. sal

Or brains.

I am assuming Mikulik is the guys that had the tirade. (That we are talking about) If that is who you are talking about, I personally do not care either way. For one this is the Minor Leagues and Class A ball at that. He did not contact the umpires from what I saw. He does not make millions like the MLB Managers do. He got 7 days and fined $1000 which is probably more of his salary than most fines with other players and managers at the higher levels. Without knowing his salary or precedent from other incidents at that level, I have no idea if he got enough.

Peace

Sure have.


Sure are.

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The man is addled in the head.

Camp Example
 

This is true. I remember going over this for a few days at the school. Also, and more specific to this situation, at one of our National Camps, during the on-field session, they addressed this sort of thing specifically:
Hearing 'through the grapevine' that one of the attendees had been party to a serious blowup, they waited until he was on-field, and the instructor threw it all at him. At first, we stood around gasping and laughing hysterically, but it wouldn't stop! The instructor took all three bases back to the dugout, buried the rubber, tried to dig up the plate, threw his hat OVER the backstop, ran around and asked EACH PLAYER in the field about the call, and more! The ump remained still and silent, as the BU in this situation did, each time rotating around to face the coach when he returned to yell. After about 10 minutes (honestly), the instructor stopped cold. He walked calmly over to the ump and said "at what point are you going to do something? I can do this all day." But the real lesson came when he turned to address the other umpire. He looked him in the eye and said "Where were you? I didn't see you once. Get your a$$ next to your partner and don't let him out of arm's reach. "
Sadly, the post-mortem on the incident happened behind closed doors, so we didn't get to hear what the instructors would have considered the 'perfect course of action', but needless to say, it wasn't the mannequin approach.

Bainer.

Every thing has an upside:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/b...orts-headlines

Very nice.

Along with the base-throwing I think they need to have a cap kick, ala Sweet Lou and maybe set out an umpire at second and have a "charge from the dugout". See who can get from a seated postion in the dugout out to the umpire and scream till their face turns red the fastest.

Sure, as long as it isn't "Disco Demolition." :)