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Rich Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:52am
Quote:
Originally Posted by ctblu40
The key to calling ball and strikes is consistancy.
I have developed what I call "the strike zone of least resistance". The pitch must be at or below about 2" above the belt. Nothing below the hollow beneath the knee. A little bit in is OK, I'll grab it for a strike. 2-3" out and I can get it.

Now it's story time- I was working a summer adult wood bat league game last week. In the 3rd or 4th, a pitch comes in for a high strike, and I call it a strike (I should've balled it). The batter looks at me and says, "That was a ball my last at bat." I said "It was a strike that time." He shakes his head digs in and we go. Next pitch was in the same spot... "Ball" He (the batter) looked at me and I said "See, it's a ball again."
In the parking lot after the game the batter approached me and said, "I guess everyone misses them once in a while?" I said, "I didn't miss it, I'm schitzophrenic." We had a good laugh:D
Hardly anyone complains on the high strike anymore. We've been calling it for a few years and just about anything below the letters is an easy one to grab. This started in the NCAA and MLB and has trickled down.

Why restrict yourself to 2" above the belt?

ctblu40 Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:53am
Because if I called the high strike all the time, I'd be the only umpire in my association and probably the state calling it.

mbyron Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:10am
I don't really have anything to add. I'd just like to see this thread get to 20 pages. Thanks for reading!

BigUmp56 Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:14am
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Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser
Hardly anyone complains on the high strike anymore. We've been calling it for a few years and just about anything below the letters is an easy one to grab. This started in the NCAA and MLB and has trickled down.

Why restrict yourself to 2" above the belt?
Rich:

Let me ask you a question. I know you work juniors and seniors in the Summer and college and HS in the Spring. How age dependant is the height of your strike zone, if it is at all? I find myself holding the older players to a higher standard to keep the ball down then I do the younger players.


Tim.

Justme Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:35am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser
Hardly anyone complains on the high strike anymore. We've been calling it for a few years and just about anything below the letters is an easy one to grab. This started in the NCAA and MLB and has trickled down.

Why restrict yourself to 2" above the belt?
My upper zone was about 1 fist above the belt (about 3"-4") for many years. The move to the higher strike zone has enabled me to about double that (just below the letters)...... I like it!

"Strike" is my second favorite word in baseball.

Tim C Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:51am
Hmmmm,
 
I am rather surprised that the "high Strike" is even mentioned.

I work a pretty high quality of baseball and we are expected to call anything below the letters a strike (see 'justme' above) and there is never a peep about it.

Since I do not work "non-shaving aged players" I would guess that that strike zone could even be bigger.

The days (even in the hotbed of baseball, Connecticut) of ending the high strike at 2" above the belt is a thing of the past. Every upper level evaluator looks for the "high strike" as a given in this modern age.

Regards,

NIump50 Tue Jun 13, 2006 03:10pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim C
I am rather surprised that the "high Strike" is even mentioned.

I work a pretty high quality of baseball and we are expected to call anything below the letters a strike (see 'justme' above) and there is never a peep about it.

Since I do not work "non-shaving aged players" I would guess that that strike zone could even be bigger.
Generally speaking anything at or above the letters is out of the textbook strikezone, not only that but it is also generally above the elbows and close to the hands. If you call the proper zone the advantage is already with the pitcher, calling a strike at or above the letters puts the batter at a severe disadvantage. Non shaving kids have less strength and quickness than shaving kids so it would put them at an even larger disadvantage.
I would not advocate raising the strike zone for the kids.

bsaucer Sat Jun 12, 2010 08:38pm
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Originally Posted by TussAgee11 (Post 315907)
"The Strike Zone is that area over home plate the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, and the lower level is a line at the top of the knees. The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter's stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball."
So is the top of the strike zone determined by the batter's stance that he takes waiting for the pitch, or when he begins his motion to swing? I think his height drops down a little as he goes into motion. What about when he squares to bunt?

I think the strike zone is a five-sided prism suspended above the white part of the plate (not the black edges). The top and bottom planes determined by the batter's stance. If the top of the ball is between the upper and lower plane, and any part of the ball is within ths sides of the prism, then it's a strike.

It doesn't matter if the batter stands forward or backwards in his box, the zone is over the plate.

waltjp Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:53pm
Four years later?

JRutledge Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:59pm
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Originally Posted by waltjp (Post 681697)
Four years later?
I was trying to figure out who this Rich Fronheiser person was? :p

Peace

UmpJM Sun Jun 13, 2010 01:31am
bsaucer,

First, I would like to commend your archeological expertise.

Second, I believe you have given a reasonably accurate description of three dimensions of the strike zone. I could quibble on a couple of points, but I don't really see that well, so it probably doesn't matter.

Third, The strike zone is actually four dimensional. The fourth dimension is time. That's why "timing" is so important.

In regard to your question, I honestly don't know the correct answer. Curious.

JM

Rich Sun Jun 13, 2010 05:56am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 681699)
I was trying to figure out who this Rich Fronheiser person was? :p

Peace
Some jerk, no doubt.

Jurassic Referee Sun Jun 13, 2010 07:28am
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 681702)
Some jerk, no doubt.
Maybe we should have a poll.

mbyron Sun Jun 13, 2010 07:45am
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Originally Posted by bsaucer (Post 681678)
So is the top of the strike zone determined by the batter's stance that he takes waiting for the pitch, or when he begins his motion to swing?
Yes. Same thing.


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