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timharris Fri May 26, 2006 01:32pm

Legal play or Illegal
 
hello all

this weekend we will be having a aau state tournament here in virgina, i just need a clarification if this play is leagl or not. runners are on 1st and 2nd the pitcher steps off the mound and pretends like he has over thrown the ball into the outfield and starts yelling at his fielders to get the ball. correct me if im wrong is this along the lines of verbal interference and whats the penalty. just trying to understand this play a little better and remember these are 11 year olds we are umpiring.


thank you

BigUmp56 Fri May 26, 2006 01:43pm

Tim:

What you're describing is a perfectly legal play provided the pitcher doesn't committ a balk when he feints the throw. This play was made famous by the University of Miami baseball team and is now known as the "Miami Play."



Tim.

bossman72 Fri May 26, 2006 02:36pm

tricky... but legal

Huskerblue Fri May 26, 2006 02:42pm

BUSH LEAGUE!!!!!!! But yes it is legal.

nickrego Fri May 26, 2006 03:20pm

Legal unless...
 
They are trying it on every runner, during every inning of the game ?

NIump50 Fri May 26, 2006 03:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huskerblue
BUSH LEAGUE!!!!!!! But yes it is legal.

Is every legal deceptive play in baseball "bush league" or just this one?

NIump50 Fri May 26, 2006 03:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigUmp56
Tim:

What you're describing is a perfectly legal play provided the pitcher doesn't committ a balk when he feints the throw. This play was made famous by the University of Miami baseball team and is now known as the "Miami Play."



Tim.

I've seen the play where F4 or F6 are pretending to attempt a play on the ball. It can be dangerously close to being interpreted as a fake tag if their faking is too close to the bag.
Fake tag in Fed. is a whole new issue.

LMan Fri May 26, 2006 03:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIump50
Is every legal deceptive play in baseball "bush league" or just this one?

It's only 'bush' when its used against YOUR team ;)

Huskerblue Fri May 26, 2006 03:46pm

Hidden ball trick falls into that category also.

BigUmp56 Fri May 26, 2006 03:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huskerblue
Hidden ball trick falls into that category also.

As does the "skunk in the outfield."


Tim.

BigUmp56 Fri May 26, 2006 03:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIump50
I've seen the play where F4 or F6 are pretending to attempt a play on the ball. It can be dangerously close to being interpreted as a fake tag if their faking is too close to the bag.
Fake tag in Fed. is a whole new issue.


FYI - A fake tag is also considered obstruction in Little League.


Tim.

SanDiegoSteve Fri May 26, 2006 04:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIump50
I've seen the play where F4 or F6 are pretending to attempt a play on the ball. It can be dangerously close to being interpreted as a fake tag if their faking is too close to the bag.
Fake tag in Fed. is a whole new issue.

F4 and F6 pretending to turn a double play when it's really a fly ball to the outfield in order to fake out the runner is a perfectly acceptable deception, and forces the runner to keep his head in the game. Now, if they do fake a tag, and induce the runner to slide, then we have a problem. Now they have indeed obstructed in FED, LL, and other modified OBR rule sets. In strict OBR it's just part of the game, but most youth ball is safety oriented.

NIump50 Fri May 26, 2006 04:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huskerblue
Hidden ball trick falls into that category also.

The step to 3rd and throw to first play for me is the most bush and
What do these coaches think they're doing teaching their catchers to fake to second and throw to 3rd?

LMan Sat May 27, 2006 03:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIump50
The step to 3rd and throw to first play for me is the most bush

you must be kidding. This is attempted at least once every game or so in America, and works ~ 0.00000001 percent of the time :rolleyes: What is 'bush' about this?

SanDiegoSteve Sat May 27, 2006 04:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIump50
The step to 3rd and throw to first play for me is the most bush and
What do these coaches think they're doing teaching their catchers to fake to second and throw to 3rd?

If it were a bush play, they would quit trying to pull it off in the majors, don't you think? Tedious and boring to the umpire, yes. Bush, nah, not a good description.


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