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sim Thu Apr 06, 2006 08:06pm

conflict in baseball assignment
 
i am doing a research assignment on baseball and i was thinking if anyone here would have the knowledge and think of any examples for the following questions:

in baseball history where has there been a major baseball (at the elite level and preferably televised) conflict between :
-fans and officials,
-athletes and fans and;
-coaches and officials

thank you:)

briancurtin Thu Apr 06, 2006 09:29pm

fans vs. officials
eric dybas (fan) vs. laz diaz (umpire) at a chicago white sox game

if you want a fan vs. coach one, theres the father/son duo that attacked KC royals coach Tom Gamboa - also at a white sox game. classy fans at those white sox games...

athletes vs. fans
chad krueter of the dodgers vs. cubs fans sitting near the bullpen
frank francisco of the rangers vs. some lady in the stands (threw a chair at her face)

coaches vs. officials
i dont know of anything conflicting other than the typical heated arguments. no thrown chairs or anything...that i know of. im only 21 so theres a lot i dont know.

sim Thu Apr 06, 2006 09:58pm

thanks!!!!!:)

SanDiegoSteve Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:37pm

Ray Knight, while coaching 3rd base for the Reds, pulled out 3rd base and chucked it a good long ways in protest of an umpire's call.

Opening day this past Monday in San Diego, some fan threw a syringe at Barry Bonds. Kind of ironic, since Barry plays for the city whose fans are notorious for throwing batteries at opposing outfielders.

big Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:41pm

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Originally Posted by briancurtin
if you want a fan vs. coach one, theres the father/son duo that attacked KC royals coach Tom Gamboa - also at a white sox game. classy fans at those white sox games...

I kinda liked that one. When it was all over Dad looked like he just went a few w/ Ali in his prime! The players beat the crap out of them & they still got jail time!:D

mbyron Fri Apr 07, 2006 08:58am

Almost anything with Lou Piniella, especially once kicking his hat around the entire infield.

LMan Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:11am

Anything with Earl Weaver.

briancurtin Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:15am

Lloyd McClendon (former Pirates manager) is another one you could use. He was always quite animated and once stole a base (as in pulled it out and took it) during an argument. I forget what team he is with right now though.

tmp44 Fri Apr 07, 2006 01:02pm

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Originally Posted by briancurtin
Lloyd McClendon (former Pirates manager) is another one you could use. He was always quite animated and once stole a base (as in pulled it out and took it) during an argument. I forget what team he is with right now though.

The McClendon incident was classic..he stole first base, took it with him and threw it into the dugout tunnel leading to the clubhouse, and then kicked it on his way into the clubhouse. LOL. That happened four or five years ago...when he was still managing the Pirates last year (he got fired in the off-season and is now assisting Jim Leland in Detroit), when he got introduced on the JumboTron at PNC Park before every game, one of the highlights always shown was that argument...as Mr. Tony would say, CLAAAAAAAAASIC :D

GerryB Fri Apr 07, 2006 01:13pm

From SI: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/bas.../fan_violence/
Date: Sept. 16, 1940
Setting: Ebbetts Field

Umpire George Magerkurth was famous for his pugnacity. In the minors, he was arrested once for fighting with a player under the stands. Another time, he and a player were suspended for spitting at each other after a disputed call. This time, though, he apparently was minding his own business when a Dodger fan leaped out of the stands, tackled him at home plate and began pummeling him. Although Brooklyn fans especially despised Magerkurth -- his run-ins with Leo Durocher were legendary -- there's evidence this particular incident was simply a diversion so the fan's pickpocket partner could work the stands.

Edit: A little internet research.

irefky Fri Apr 07, 2006 01:38pm

How could you forget, coach against umpire:

Pete Rose and Dave Pallone, the finger pointing in the eye, bumping chest incident.

Pete Rose, HOF? He would have my vote.

umpduck11 Fri Apr 07, 2006 01:49pm

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Originally Posted by briancurtin
Lloyd McClendon (former Pirates manager) is another one you could use. He was always quite animated and once stole a base (as in pulled it out and took it) during an argument. I forget what team he is with right now though.


Wasn't McClendon the one who "clubbed" the sausage during
the sausage race in Milwaukee ?

Justme Fri Apr 07, 2006 01:50pm

1903 - Hall of Fame pitcher Rube Waddell climbed into the stands and beat up a heckler.

Another old-time player, Sherwood Magee, a contemporary Philadelphia Phillies outfielder, knocked out a drunk who had followed him to the clubhouse to continue a tirade.

1903 - Ed Barrow, who later as general manager of the Yankees put together the great dynasty featuring Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig, was managing the Detroit Tigers when he threw a bucket of water over jeering fans during an exhibition game in Nashville, Tennessee..

1912 - Ty Cobb leaped into the stands to beat up a heckler.

1999 - A fan in Milwaukee's County Stadium leaped out of the stands to tackle Houston Astros right fielder Bill Spiers. Luckily, Spiers was unhurt.
One year, first baseman Wally Joyner escaped serious injury when a spectator at Yankee Stadium flung a hunting knife at him after an Angels' victory. Joyner's arm was grazed.

1996 - A fan rushed at Cubs closer Randy Myers on the mound at Wrigley Field after he had given up a game-tying home run. Myers coolly decked him with one punch

1992 - Belle, then with the Cleveland Indians, threw a foul ball at a spectator after being heckled by fans from left field, hitting him in the chest

1986 - Cubs manager Don Baylor recalled as a player, that he climbed into the stands at Yankee Stadium to assist Boston Red Sox teammate Jim Rice, who was battling a loud-mouthed fan.

griff901c Fri Apr 07, 2006 09:37pm

Reggie Smith with the dodgers...into the stands after a fan

JRutledge Sat Apr 08, 2006 01:11am

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Originally Posted by Justme
1903 - Hall of Fame pitcher Rube Waddell climbed into the stands and beat up a heckler.

Another old-time player, Sherwood Magee, a contemporary Philadelphia Phillies outfielder, knocked out a drunk who had followed him to the clubhouse to continue a tirade.

1903 - Ed Barrow, who later as general manager of the Yankees put together the great dynasty featuring Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig, was managing the Detroit Tigers when he threw a bucket of water over jeering fans during an exhibition game in Nashville, Tennessee..

1912 - Ty Cobb leaped into the stands to beat up a heckler.

1999 - A fan in Milwaukee's County Stadium leaped out of the stands to tackle Houston Astros right fielder Bill Spiers. Luckily, Spiers was unhurt.
One year, first baseman Wally Joyner escaped serious injury when a spectator at Yankee Stadium flung a hunting knife at him after an Angels' victory. Joyner's arm was grazed.

1996 - A fan rushed at Cubs closer Randy Myers on the mound at Wrigley Field after he had given up a game-tying home run. Myers coolly decked him with one punch

1992 - Belle, then with the Cleveland Indians, threw a foul ball at a spectator after being heckled by fans from left field, hitting him in the chest

1986 - Cubs manager Don Baylor recalled as a player, that he climbed into the stands at Yankee Stadium to assist Boston Red Sox teammate Jim Rice, who was battling a loud-mouthed fan.

Kind of puts the Artest incident in perspective. :D

Peace

briancurtin Sat Apr 08, 2006 03:35am

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Originally Posted by Justme
1996 - A fan rushed at Cubs closer Randy Myers on the mound at Wrigley Field after he had given up a game-tying home run. Myers coolly decked him with one punch

jeez how could i have forgotten that one, thanks for the refresher. myers abosolutely dominated the fan that came out there. he threw a punch or two right there on the mound, just as the shadows were encroaching the mound, then held the guy in a headlock until security got out there.

DG Sat Apr 08, 2006 01:45pm

Billy Martin walking a circle around the umpire (don't remember who it was) while kicking sand up on his pants. I wouldn't call that major but it sure was funny...

RPatrino Sat Apr 08, 2006 08:24pm

Two Frank Luchessi stories. Luchessi was the former manager of the Texas Rangers, and had quite a temper.

Incident #1 - After a long day of getting frustrated by a plate umpires calls, Frank comes unglued. He runs to the plate and gets tossed, then after the umpire brushes the plate, Frank kicks dirt on it, kneels down and forms the dirt into a nice pile, and then STOMPS on it...

Incident #2 - Frank goes nutz after A's pitcher Dave Stewart beans one of his batters. Frank charges Dave and immediately gets kicked and punched to the ground.. Poor Frank.

Bob P.

big Sat Apr 08, 2006 09:06pm

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Originally Posted by RPatrino
Incident #2 - Frank goes nutz after A's pitcher Dave Stewart beans one of his batters. Frank charges Dave and immediately gets kicked and punched to the ground.. Poor Frank.

Bob P.

If I'd been the HP ump I would have loved to have a rule that would have allowed me to reinstate him. That was pretty creative. I would have loved to see what he would have done next to get thrown out again! :D

jwwashburn Sat Apr 08, 2006 09:59pm

I watched this game on TV...Bob Horner had a broken arm with a cast and he was trying to go into the stands...Ed Whitson, for the Padres was literally losing his mind trying to climb out of the dugout into the stands. They should sell dvds of games like this...people would buy it.

» August 12, 1984: In one of the ugliest brawl-filled games in ML history, the Braves beat the Padres 5–3 in Atlanta. The trouble begins when Atlanta's Pascual Perez hits Alan Wiggins in the back with the first pitch of the game, and escalates as the Padres pitchers retaliate by throwing at Perez all four times he comes to the plate. All in all, the game features two bench-clearing brawls, the 2nd of which includes several fans, and 19 ejections, including both managers and both replacement managers. Padres manager Dick Williams will be suspended for 10 days and fined $10,000, while Braves manager Joe Torre and five players will each receive 3-game suspensions. But the brawl in Atlanta, as Dave Campbell observed, "woke the Padres up out of their doldrums."

jwwashburn Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:02pm

Also, try these.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/basebrawl.html

http://www.top10mlbfights.com/index.html

SanDiegoSteve Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:33pm

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Originally Posted by jwwashburn
But the brawl in Atlanta, as Dave Campbell observed, "woke the Padres up out of their doldrums."

Yes, woke them up and fired them up, and they won the NL West, then came from behind to beat the Cubbies for the NLCS, and played in their first World Series. We didn't even care that they lost. It was a magical time here.:)

jwwashburn Sun Apr 09, 2006 08:56pm

Thank God Eddie Whitson was restrained, whatever that fan(or fans) did, Eddie had MURDER in his eyes...I would not have liked to have seen what would have happened if he made it up there, he had a Louisville Slugger and was swinging it.


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