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cards2323 Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:32am

I've got some slight nerve damage in my left hand. Using my counter with my right just works better for me. I know the counter should be in the left but is it really a big deal? The right hand counter doesn't effect any of my signaling.
Thanks for any input

briancurtin Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:43am

you might get docked some points in an evaluation or something, but being that you have a disability limiting your left hand, i think it would be ok for you to use the right. you seem to know that it should be in the left which is good, but just cant make it work that way due to that nerve damage.

in your case, i wouldnt worry about it too much.

cards2323 Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:57am

I probably could make it work in the left hand but when my injury first happened I had to use my right and have stuck with it. It just doesn't cause me any problems in the right hand so I was wandering "why switch" if I don't have too.

mcrowder Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:02pm

If you CAN make it work, I'd switch if only for the reason that it probably helps the rehab on the hand in the long run... but aside from that, if you CAN make it work, you'll avoid having to educate an evaluator as to the nerve damage (and avoid getting docked should an evaluator do so without talking to you). Plus - consistency is always a good thing where possible.

If you CAN'T make it work, I don't see any problem with it other than that you'd need to explain it to everyone who might be evaluating you. If that's not a priority, and just working games IS the priority, then there's no concern there either.

ozzy6900 Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:05pm

Quote:

Originally posted by cards2323
I've got some slight nerve damage in my left hand. Using my counter with my right just works better for me. I know the counter should be in the left but is it really a big deal? The right hand counter doesn't effect any of my signaling.
Thanks for any input

What hand so you use to remove your mask?

smoump Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:06pm

I agree, there are bigger issues: consistent zone, positioning, game management, etc.

cards2323 Mon Mar 13, 2006 01:02pm

I'm able to remove my mask with my right hand just fine, it's the coordination of my fingers that seemed to be off.

Carbide Keyman Mon Mar 13, 2006 06:04pm

huh ?!?
 
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Originally posted by cards2323
I'm able to remove my mask with my right hand just fine, it's the coordination of my fingers that seemed to be off.
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You remove your mask with your right hand, also ?

phillips.alex Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:14pm

you can do everything with your right hand as long as you signal with the left. Lefty's do it. You can too.

briancurtin Tue Mar 14, 2006 01:37am

Quote:

Originally posted by phillips.alex
you can do everything with your right hand as long as you signal with the left. Lefty's do it. You can too.
please dont do this.

Rich Tue Mar 14, 2006 02:07am

Quote:

Originally posted by phillips.alex
you can do everything with your right hand as long as you signal with the left. Lefty's do it. You can too.
Good God, what the hell has happened to this forum?

GarthB Tue Mar 14, 2006 02:34am

Quote:

Originally posted by phillips.alex
you can do everything with your right hand as long as you signal with the left. Lefty's do it. You can too.
Thank God I have never seen a left handed umpire, including me, signal with the left hand. What a crock.

ozzy6900 Tue Mar 14, 2006 06:28am

Quote:

Originally posted by cards2323
I'm able to remove my mask with my right hand just fine, it's the coordination of my fingers that seemed to be off.
So you have a very busy right hand. You hold the indicator with it; you remove the mask with it. Now, what do you do when you have to signal an out?

I ask this because signals are supposed to come from the right hand. It is what is expected by the coaches, players and the fans. Hopefully, when you remove your mask you tuck it under your left arm or grasp it with your left hand. That would be acceptable.

The reason for this whole thing is so that you don't bash anyone with the mask when you sell that close play at the plate. There was a time where you could never pass a NCAA evaluator's session using the right hand.

By the way, lefties do not do it backward - that is if they want to advance to higher levels. You seem to have a legitimate excuse so that should not interfere.

umpduck11 Tue Mar 14, 2006 07:42am

Quote:

Originally posted by phillips.alex
you can do everything with your right hand as long as you signal with the left. Lefty's do it. You can too.
I am left-handed, and I do not use
my left hand to signal, nor do I remove
my mask with my right hand.

phillips.alex Wed Mar 15, 2006 03:21am

wow....i never thought i would get that much commentary for this....i personally do it with my left, but two guys in my assn. do it with their right since they are left handed, and one of them works d-1 college ball, no problems... are you sure this isn't just some old taboo?

BigUmp56 Wed Mar 15, 2006 06:17am

I think it was Ozzy who gave you the best reason why we don't remove our mask with the right hand. You don't want to end up throwing it or knocking someone in the head with it when you sell a banger.



Tim.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Mar 15, 2006 08:42am

I have seen a few umpires remove the mask with the right hand, only to transfer it to the left hand immediately.

I also have seen some professionals use both hands to remove it as well, probably taking their time to make sure they don't rip their hats off in front of 50,000 fans.

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/1/1_4_45.gif

phillips.alex Wed Mar 15, 2006 01:09pm

i agree that you don't have it in the hand that you signal with, but if you sell bangers with the left, why not hold a mask in the right?

briancurtin Wed Mar 15, 2006 01:39pm

Quote:

Originally posted by phillips.alex
i agree that you don't have it in the hand that you signal with, but if you sell bangers with the left, why not hold a mask in the right?
because you never make calls with your left hand except the left half of a safe signal, and the various times you point (not including pointing strikes).

UMP25 Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:18pm

Quote:

Originally posted by GarthB
Quote:

Originally posted by phillips.alex
you can do everything with your right hand as long as you signal with the left. Lefty's do it. You can too.
Thank God I have never seen a left handed umpire, including me, signal with the left hand. What a crock.

You don't remember Ken Kaiser??? ;)

GarthB Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:43pm

Quote:

Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve
I have seen a few umpires remove the mask with the right hand, only to transfer it to the left hand immediately.



http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/1/1_4_45.gif

And here's one reason why you shouldn't do that, either.

I was evaluating an umpire at a 3A varsity game. R3 is trying for home on an infield hit. The play was close.

Now try to visualize this:

PU takes his mask off with his right hand, then takes it from his right hand with his left, then signals out with his right hand.

Here's what the fans and coaches saw: A signal of out with his right hand, with mask in hand, followed by a signal of safe due to the left hand coming to the center of his body and and (after transfering the mask) swinging back to his left, followed by another out call.

Can you say "Sh!t house"?


GarthB Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:46pm

Quote:

Originally posted by phillips.alex
wow....i never thought i would get that much commentary for this....i personally do it with my left, but two guys in my assn. do it with their right since they are left handed, and one of them works d-1 college ball, no problems... are you sure this isn't just some old taboo?
Yes, I am sure. As far as the alleged "D-1" umpire goes, either he is not a conference official or the level of D-1 officials is lacking in your area. I'd love to know what area that is.

Tim C Sat Mar 18, 2006 02:57pm

GB
 
Bellingham, WA

GarthB Sat Mar 18, 2006 03:37pm

"Ahhhh," he said with a knowing wink to his Portland partner.

[Edited by GarthB on Mar 18th, 2006 at 05:06 PM]


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