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largeone59 Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:49am

When will the 2006 edition of the BRD be released?

SanDiegoSteve Tue Nov 29, 2005 01:41am

I have no idea, but I hate to see a thread with no responses. Maybe if you rename the thread "Hey Carl, when's the 2006 BRD coming out?" you will get an answer!:cool:

LDUB Tue Nov 29, 2005 01:10pm

It is obvious why Carl didn't respond yet.

The book has been delayed because Carl had to go back and change it to say that a coach may use a wheelchair in the coach's box, for untill a couple days ago, he did not know that.

aevans410 Tue Nov 29, 2005 03:01pm

hehe, I haven't been logging in, but I've been watching the show.

That made me chuckle L hehe.

SanDiegoSteve Tue Nov 29, 2005 03:07pm

LDUB,

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Best one in quite some time!!

GarthB Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:58pm

Quote:

Originally posted by LDUB
It is obvious why Carl didn't respond yet.

The book has been delayed because Carl had to go back and change it to say that a coach may use a wheelchair in the coach's box, for untill a couple days ago, he did not know that.

I must be missing the joke. That might be because Carl wrote that this would be allowed in an email to me in 2001. Why do you think he wouldn't know now?

LDUB Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:41am

Quote:

Originally posted by GarthB
I must be missing the joke. That might be because Carl wrote that this would be allowed in an email to me in 2001. Why do you think he wouldn't know now?
Carl recently got very offended when he was accused of not knowing that the coach could use a wheelchair. Carl has also failed to respond to this thread and post a date for the release of the book. I simply put the two things together into a humorous statement.

Carl Childress Thu Dec 01, 2005 04:47pm

Quote:

Originally posted by LDUB
Quote:

Originally posted by GarthB
I must be missing the joke. That might be because Carl wrote that this would be allowed in an email to me in 2001. Why do you think he wouldn't know now?
Carl recently got very offended when he was accused of not knowing that the coach could use a wheelchair. Carl has also failed to respond to this thread and post a date for the release of the book. I simply put the two things together into a humorous statement.

It didn't sound funny to me.

I check The Forum perhaps every third or fourth day unless I've posted something and am notified of a reply.

If you had a copy of the BRD, you'd know what I know - which is every published official interpretation going back to 1976 - in three sets of rules.

That a "mobility device" is legal doesn't detract one bit from the fact that it's dangerous and the person using it, selfish.

The BRD always comes out after the NFHS meeting in mid-January.

Rich Ives Thu Dec 01, 2005 05:45pm

Or you AH's could actually buy a BRD and see that it's covered already. It's hard to legitimately claim he didn't know it when it's published in his book.

Coaches in section 135
Umpires in section 493


The book becomes available sometime after the first of the year.

SanDiegoSteve Thu Dec 01, 2005 05:57pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives
Or you AH's could actually buy a BRD and see that it's covered already. It's hard to legitimately claim he didn't know it when it's published in his book.

Coaches in section 135
Umpires in section 493


The book becomes available sometime after the first of the year.

Oh come on you two, it was funny as hell. Thanks, Luke. You AH's need to lighten up a bit. At least we got the answer of when it is coming out. Thank you, Carl. Hey, Rich, if you want to shell out the money for a copy of the BRD for everyone, fine. If not, don't spend our money for us. Some of us have much more important uses for our hard earned dough.

LDUB Thu Dec 01, 2005 06:16pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Carl Childress
I check The Forum perhaps every third or fourth day unless I've posted something and am notified of a reply.
This thread was started on Nov. 26th (27th if eastern time). You replied to this thread over 4 1/2 days after it was started. You posted in the Obstruction or Interference thread on the 26th, 27th, 28th, 29th, and 30th. It wasn't like you wern't around, for some reason just you didn't respond to this question.

And it was funny.

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives
Or you AH's could actually buy a BRD and see that it's covered already. It's hard to legitimately claim he didn't know it when it's published in his book.
Go away Ives. You don't have to insult us. And who ever claimed he didn't know it besides WWTB?

umpduck11 Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:59pm

Quote:

Originally posted by PWL
I would take my chances of hurting myself over someone in a "mobility device" against:
(A) a batted ball coming back at me at upwards of 100 MPH while pitching.
(B) a pitched ball traveling at my head at close to 90 MPH.
(C) a foul ball coming into a dugout as close as 30 feet to home plate.
(D) running full out trying to catch a fly ball in the gap and colliding with another fielder doing the same.
(E) running full tilt to catch a ball hit over my head and coming to a sudden stop as you contact the fence.
(F) catching a cleat in the dirt as I slide and tearing up an ankle or knee.
(G) sliding head first into home and dislocating a shoulder or breaking a finger when the catcher puts his knee down to block the plate.
(H) a fielder trying to get tag on a runner getting spiked or in the case of a bad throw the fielder and runner colliding with each other.
There's probably a few things I missed. I have yet to see a "mobility device" involved in anything I described though.
[/B]
(I) Popup on first base side, foul territory. F3 moves
to catch the ball, and either (a) trips and falls
headlong into coach's wheelchair, splitting his head open,
or, (b) Crashes into said "mobility device" at full speed,
doing any number of potential damages to himself, not to
mention the possibility of injury to "now mobile" coach.
In your examples a-h , these are all every-day injury
possibilities that every player faces. Example (i) is
not possible without the addition of the "mobility device",
an abnormality from the baseball diamond norm.
I would agree that I would not want a through h to happen
to me, but why would I wish for just one more thing
to have to worry about?


Rich Ives Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:14pm

Quote:

Originally posted by LDUB


Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives
Or you AH's could actually buy a BRD and see that it's covered already. It's hard to legitimately claim he didn't know it when it's published in his book.
Go away Ives. You don't have to insult us. And who ever claimed he didn't know it besides WWTB? [/B]
You did.

Go back and read your own post - the one time stamped Nov 29th, 2005 01:10 PM where you said:

"Carl had to go back and change it to say that a coach may use a wheelchair in the coach's box, for untill a couple days ago, he did not know that."

Rich Ives Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:21pm

Quote:

Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve
Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives
Or you AH's could actually buy a BRD and see that it's covered already. It's hard to legitimately claim he didn't know it when it's published in his book.

Coaches in section 135
Umpires in section 493


The book becomes available sometime after the first of the year.

Oh come on you two, it was funny as hell. Thanks, Luke. You AH's need to lighten up a bit. At least we got the answer of when it is coming out. Thank you, Carl. Hey, Rich, if you want to shell out the money for a copy of the BRD for everyone, fine. If not, don't spend our money for us. Some of us have much more important uses for our hard earned dough.

1) You're an umpire that doesn't need a reference on the rules?

2) Send me your US Mail address and I'll send you my 2005 copy after I get the 2006 version. I also have a 2004 version if anyone wants that one.

Carl Childress Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:29pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives
Quote:

Originally posted by LDUB


Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives
Or you AH's could actually buy a BRD and see that it's covered already. It's hard to legitimately claim he didn't know it when it's published in his book.
Go away Ives. You don't have to insult us. And who ever claimed he didn't know it besides WWTB?
You did.

Go back and read your own post - the one time stamped Nov 29th, 2005 01:10 PM where you said:

"Carl had to go back and change it to say that a coach may use a wheelchair in the coach's box, for untill a couple days ago, he did not know that."
[/B]
Thanks. I needed that. (grin)

I've never understood why it's fun to tweak the lion's nose. (another grin)

BTW: Concerning my article that came out today on the paid site: I'm surprised that one or more of the big dogs didn't comment on my distinctly "little dog" opinion of posts that ask simple, basic questions.

Maybe nobody read it.

SanDiegoSteve Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:45pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives
Quote:

Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve
Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives
Or you AH's could actually buy a BRD and see that it's covered already. It's hard to legitimately claim he didn't know it when it's published in his book.

Coaches in section 135
Umpires in section 493


The book becomes available sometime after the first of the year.

Oh come on you two, it was funny as hell. Thanks, Luke. You AH's need to lighten up a bit. At least we got the answer of when it is coming out. Thank you, Carl. Hey, Rich, if you want to shell out the money for a copy of the BRD for everyone, fine. If not, don't spend our money for us. Some of us have much more important uses for our hard earned dough.

1) You're an umpire that doesn't need a reference on the rules?

2) Send me your US Mail address and I'll send you my 2005 copy after I get the 2006 version. I also have a 2004 version if anyone wants that one.

1) I need all the help I can get. I just don't know if I can afford all the different manuals that are out there. I have other expenses, and I am not rich to begin with. I have been (blissfully) doing without extra interpretation manuals for 20 years now, but I would like to have them now that I am aware of them. I had always relied on the rule books, casebooks (proper spelling, WWTB, according to the MLBUM), and classroom discussions. I want to be the best umpire possible, so any extra help is appreciated.

2) I am sending you an e-mail with the info. Dibs on the 2005 version.

briancurtin Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:00am

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives
You did.

Go back and read your own post - the one time stamped Nov 29th, 2005 01:10 PM where you said:

"Carl had to go back and change it to say that a coach may use a wheelchair in the coach's box, for untill a couple days ago, he did not know that."

your browser must not be picking up the HTML sarcasm tag

Rich Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:13am

Quote:

Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve
Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives
Or you AH's could actually buy a BRD and see that it's covered already. It's hard to legitimately claim he didn't know it when it's published in his book.

Coaches in section 135
Umpires in section 493


The book becomes available sometime after the first of the year.

Oh come on you two, it was funny as hell. Thanks, Luke. You AH's need to lighten up a bit. At least we got the answer of when it is coming out. Thank you, Carl. Hey, Rich, if you want to shell out the money for a copy of the BRD for everyone, fine. If not, don't spend our money for us. Some of us have much more important uses for our hard earned dough.

There is no better resource than the BRD. And this comes from someone who hasn't exactly been chummy with Carl lately.

LDUB Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:19am

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives
Quote:

Originally posted by LDUB
Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives
Or you AH's could actually buy a BRD and see that it's covered already. It's hard to legitimately claim he didn't know it when it's published in his book.
Go away Ives. You don't have to insult us. And who ever claimed he didn't know it besides WWTB?
You did.

Go back and read your own post - the one time stamped Nov 29th, 2005 01:10 PM where you said:

"Carl had to go back and change it to say that a coach may use a wheelchair in the coach's box, for untill a couple days ago, he did not know that."
[/B]
You should go back and check your post where you wrote: "It's hard to legitimately claim he didn't know it when it's published in his book."

My post was reconized by several other posters as a joke. A joke saying he doesn't know something is not "legitimately claiming" that he does not know something.

ozzy6900 Fri Dec 02, 2005 08:17am

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
Quote:

Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve
Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives
Or you AH's could actually buy a BRD and see that it's covered already. It's hard to legitimately claim he didn't know it when it's published in his book.

Coaches in section 135
Umpires in section 493


The book becomes available sometime after the first of the year.

Oh come on you two, it was funny as hell. Thanks, Luke. You AH's need to lighten up a bit. At least we got the answer of when it is coming out. Thank you, Carl. Hey, Rich, if you want to shell out the money for a copy of the BRD for everyone, fine. If not, don't spend our money for us. Some of us have much more important uses for our hard earned dough.

There is no better resource than the BRD. And this comes from someone who hasn't exactly been chummy with Carl lately.

Ditto, Rich! The BRD has become one of my most valuable tools as I officiate under all 3 codes. Trying to keep all the rules straight was a royal pain. The advent of the BRD put it all together.

To those who question the BRD, it is not "another rule book". You still need all 3 (OBR, FED & NCAA) rule books. The BRD takes a rule and associates it to the 3 rule books, shows the differences and supplies the case book and "double-secret rulings" put forth the rule gods. The best part is that Carl cites the rule book and rule number references along with the case book reference numbers so you can look up the rule as needed. He added a second index to quickly locate a rule and has a detailed index at the end as always. I've had many occasions where a coach wanted to see a rule (in the parking lot, of course) and I use the BRD to tell me exactly which rule to go to.

Of course, there are those who use the "photographic memory" concept of officiating. To those who have that capability, more power to ya'! I know my rules, but when an explanation is needed be it in the parking lot, at an association meeting or at our mentor's group, the BRD has been one of my best tools. Besides, it makes good reading in the "reading room"! Our HS rules interpreter always said "If you take the rule book into the crapper with you, you'll read the damn thing twice and you might just learn something!"

bob jenkins Fri Dec 02, 2005 09:27am

Quote:

Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve


1) I need all the help I can get. I just don't know if I can afford all the different manuals that are out there. I have other expenses, and I am not rich to begin with. I have been (blissfully) doing without extra interpretation manuals for 20 years now, but I would like to have them now that I am aware of them. I had always relied on the rule books, casebooks (proper spelling, WWTB, according to the MLBUM), and classroom discussions. I want to be the best umpire possible, so any extra help is appreciated.


I agree with Rich and others -- if you can only afford one reference manual, this should be the first one. This is true even if you only work under one rules code. I only hope my order goes through this year (Carl, Brad -- that's a hint to either (grammar alert -- It is wrong to ever split an infinitive) allow on-line ordering without registering for the site or allow phone ordering -- neither worked for me last January)


largeone59 Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:33am

ok then, to clarify my original question....

the BRD edition for 2006 won't come out until late January then, right?

ozzy6900 Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:41pm

Quote:

Originally posted by largeone59
ok then, to clarify my original question....

the BRD edition for 2006 won't come out until late January then, right?

Right Large, between the end of January and the middle of February. Carl has to wait for the gods of the NCAA and the FED to finalize their changes. Carl usually lets us know when the BRD is ready.

SanDiegoSteve Fri Dec 02, 2005 03:07pm

Quote:

Originally posted by largeone59
ok then, to clarify my original question....

the BRD edition for 2006 won't come out until late January then, right?

Well, why didn't ya say so in the first place? :D

mbyron Sat Dec 03, 2005 09:51am

Quote:

Originally posted by Carl Childress
BTW: Concerning my article that came out today on the paid site: I'm surprised that one or more of the big dogs didn't comment on my distinctly "little dog" opinion of posts that ask simple, basic questions.

Maybe nobody read it.

Well I read it. I'm not a big dog, so I can't meliorate your "surprise," but I would have thought that the big dogs were complaining more about little league questions, such as "are the hands part of the bat?" than about little dog questions, such as "is the BR out if a batted ball strikes a bat in fair ground?"

You got some nice plugs in this thread, Carl. You should keep bumping it every week until the 2006 BRD comes out (that stands for "Best Resource, Dammit!" doesn't it?) ;)

SanDiegoSteve Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:30pm

Quote:

Originally posted by mbyron
Quote:

Originally posted by Carl Childress
BTW: Concerning my article that came out today on the paid site: I'm surprised that one or more of the big dogs didn't comment on my distinctly "little dog" opinion of posts that ask simple, basic questions.

Maybe nobody read it.

Well I read it. I'm not a big dog, so I can't meliorate your "surprise," but I would have thought that the big dogs were complaining more about little league questions, such as "are the hands part of the bat?" than about little dog questions, such as "is the BR out if a batted ball strikes a bat in fair ground?"

Mr. Byron,

You would be surprised at the number of high school and college coaches who think that the hands are part of the bat. It is much more than just a little league question. I don't know where people got that idea, sort of like a tie going to a runner, just one of those perpetuated baseball myths.

SanDiegoSteve Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:32pm

Quote:

Originally posted by thomaswhite
Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins

I agree with Rich and others -- if you can only afford one reference manual, this should be the first one. This is true even if you only work under one rules code. I only hope my order goes through this year (Carl, Brad -- that's a hint to either (grammar alert -- It is wrong to ever split an infinitive) allow on-line ordering without registering for the site or allow phone ordering -- neither worked for me last January)

A fine piece of work, annually renewed, a tad overpriced relative to wages uninflated, edge dulled by author's own commotions, but a tool nonetheless.....from a Tool! [/B]
You are a boob.

BigUmp56 Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:33pm


A fine piece of work, annually renewed, a tad overpriced relative to wages uninflated, edge dulled by author's own commotions, but a tool nonetheless.....from a Tool!

Into the fray strode a new darkened warrior. Bereft of the weaponry necessary to adequately engage the master, he nonetheless threw down his gauntlet in a flaccid gesture......

It was a dark time for the Forum, indeed............

Tim.

bluehair Sat Dec 03, 2005 01:00pm

TW
 
Wit and brevity...less is more...BW is conserved.

...nice touch.

The more we respond to trolls, the longer they reside here.

Bob Lyle Sat Dec 03, 2005 03:42pm

Quote:

Originally posted by PWL
Is troll slang for controllers? As in to con"troll". Looks like WWTB has a an apprentice in training.
Are you sure he's in training and not Windy himself with another name?

Bob Lyle Sat Dec 03, 2005 04:50pm

Quote:

Originally posted by thomaswhite


Let's ask Childress!

Papa Bear, spit out those IP addies, free me from respite, set down these naysayers,

Signed,

Bob Lyle

Now you steal my name. I guess you had to have somewhere to go after Gary shut down the action at McGripes.

Anyone can post from multiple IP's. Rut has bragged that he posts from up to seven IPs. All you'll prove from checking the IP address is that you're as smart as Rut. You've already proved that your more literate. :D

Bob Lyle Sat Dec 03, 2005 08:03pm

What are the odds?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by thomaswhite


I post from one, static one, Bob, and I didn't steal nothing. You are an Accuser with no data, I call you out, Troll.

Never posted to McGriff's, have no desire to, it's a craphole run by a NutCase on a website made by a third grader.

McGriffs is the premier troll site. To a troll, it's the crack cocaine of all boards. You just acknowledged that you're very familiar with McGriffs. What are the odds that an addicted troll like yourself has never posted there?

Why do I say addicted? You've made over 30 troll posts in your first day of posting. That's a serious addiction. No troll that I remember has ever made that many posts on his first day. And you want us to believe that you have been able to pass up the free troll drug that is McGriffs?

Addicts are known for their lying and self deception. You need to get in treatment.

WhatWuzThatBlue Sat Dec 03, 2005 08:16pm

Bob,
You and I almost never agree.

Read my posts carefully and you'll find that I am not shy about taking on challenges, usurping authority or defending my opinions. When I returned, I did so in a most compliant way. Even when you and I were at odds, I reminded you that we need to be civil. This board is being baited by a malcontent who has an equipment fetish.

Take a step back and see what he is trying to accomplish. There is a recourse - don't debate. If you notice, enough of his threads have warranted looks, but no responses. Patience...it shant be long.


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