Ozzy,
I couldn't agree more; this has become a time waster. Even when you quote him directly - the entire paragraph, too - he'll deny that he meant it. He knows the definition of jewels as well as he knows McGriffs. For someone who claims not to go there anymore, he certainly is familiar with it.

I tried to steer the conversation back to PBUC, J/R, JEA but he just won't let it go. So, I will.

His talent with a search engine is legendary. The disruptor may have the final word for this thread. If I were Steve, I'd close it before BigUmp56 tells us about the maturity of grown ups or why rookies should never umpire alone again. Something about inexperience and not knowing what to do in certain situations...hmmmmmmm???

Ozzy, TAC, Garth - you are welcome!

[I just want to see what the edit button does, here goes...]

[Edited by WhatWuzThatBlue on Nov 21st, 2005 at 06:51 AM]

And to think I was going to pull the plug on this thing about 7 pages ago!

WWTB,

I just wiped out my entire post to you by accident. Damn.
I don't feel like trying to remember the whole thing either. Well, if you saw it before I screwed it up by editing it, great. It's way too early here.

Re: I ain't snivelin'
 

For overrunning first:

The MLBUM says in 5.13:

<i>NOTE: The batter-runner is not prohibited from overrunning first base on a base on balls (i.e.,
the batter-runner may overrun first base on a base on balls and is not in jeopardy of being put out
provided he returns immediately to first base).</i>


The current, published version of the PBUC does not discuss the situation. The prior version also did not discuss the situation.


If you are going to reference the PBUC you can order the real thing from Plus Pos $15.95 or Gerry Davis Sports for $16.90.

The title of the article I referenced was "PBUC Interpretations." I really thought it was actually from that organization. Thank you for pointing this out, again.

Re: Re: I ain't snivelin'
 

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives If you are going to reference the PBUC you can order the real thing from Plus Pos $15.95 or Gerry Davis Sports for $16.90.

Or, you can order one directly from the PBUC, and save a few bucks.


You can send a check or money order made out to:

PBUC for 18.95 which is 14.95 for the book and

4.00 for shipping and handling.

Or you can call them at: 800-785-8677 ext 1722

And order over the phone with a visa or master card.

Their mailing address is: PBUC, P. O. Box A,

St. Petersburg, FL 33731.


Tim.

One down, the rest to go
 

Thanks for the info Tim. This manual seems reasonably priced. The others however are a bit pricey for me right now. I really am saving up for new gear.

From where can I get the MLBUM? And I read something about the Jim Evans book being hard to locate, is that true?

I know where to find the others, Carl's and J/R's, but I would have to take out a loan.

Re: One down, the rest to go
 

Carl's is $31 including shipping. J/R is $38 including shipping. One game fee would almost do it, two certainly would.

Re: Re: One down, the rest to go
 

You are right DG, that would certainly take care of it. The remarks I make are often tongue-in-cheek. This was just a comment about the need for so many manuals. I'm sure owning these manuals won't break me, but they are a bit pricey.

All of a sudden, I'm hungry for Carl's Jr. I wonder why?......

Re: Re: Re: One down, the rest to go
 

If interested in Carl's I would suggest wait till the new one comes out in 2006, for the latest and greatest. I assume a new edition will come out early in the year. He generally updates annually.

...so what's better, a mask or a helmet? :D

LMan,

Always room on the umpire.org board for that one, in fact, new posts await...http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif

Re: One down, the rest to go
 

Tell Santa what you want and maybe you will be surprised.

Sorry about the "cool" references. I thought something lighter was appropriate at that time.

I think we all agree the rule books are mere skeletons that, like any regulations, try to address what most often occurs in a game, and, again, like any group of laws, take an "act of congress" to change. Fed. and NCAA are their own governing bodies and don't have a player's union to contend with. Their changes are added almost at will.

I think all these (J/R, BRD, etc.) books are reference materials that are very useful in training the brain to think beyond what is wriiten the the rule books...policy manuals, if you will. They have helped me try to figure out why a rule was written and how each "authority" came up with his interpretation. The knowledge gained from these books, AND sites like these, will be part of my backbone when I need to invoke 9.01c or any of her sister references.

Agreed, no coach is going to buy "cuz Rick Roder says so",
but all our knowledge from these respected umpire school text writers and accomplished authors (all umpires, as well) is great ammo to bring into your protest meeting. Lastly, why diss (I'm so street) the massive amounts of research that went into all of these references.

We may not agree with every "authoritative opinion" (CC's term) but I'm not putting my credentials up against their's.


D

I find it odd that some threads get closed on a drop of a hat, and this one was allowed to survive for 11+ pages. Strange days indeed, most peculiar mama.