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LongIslandZebra Mon Oct 31, 2005 04:28pm

Man on first 1 out. Runner runs into second baseman who is camped under the ball. Umpire shows a fist for a delayed dead ball interference call. The ball falls to the ground, is picked up by the second baseman, and thrown to the shortstop at second. The batter/runner is safe at first. The ruling was: Batter/runner is out on the interference, the runner is out on a 4-6 force play because he chose to run. Since the batter/runner is out on the interference call wouldnt the runner at second need to be tagged out? The call seems to be only partly correct.

bob jenkins Mon Oct 31, 2005 04:51pm

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Originally posted by LongIslandZebra
Man on first 1 out. Runner runs into second baseman who is camped under the ball. Umpire shows a fist for a delayed dead ball interference call. The ball falls to the ground, is picked up by the second baseman, and thrown to the shortstop at second. The batter/runner is safe at first. The ruling was: Batter/runner is out on the interference, the runner is out on a 4-6 force play because he chose to run. Since the batter/runner is out on the interference call wouldnt the runner at second need to be tagged out? The call seems to be only partly correct.
Well, the umpire's mechanics were wrong.

The specific ruling was also wrong.

The effective ruling (both are out) was correct for FED -- absent the interference, BR would have been out on the catch and R1 would have been out on appeal for not retagging first.

The effective ruling was correct for OBR if the umpire judged that the interference was intended to break up a double play. Otherwise, R1 shouild have been out and BR awarded first.


TBBlue Tue Nov 01, 2005 09:01am

deleted...Bob's response is correct for both rule sets.

[Edited by TBBlue on Nov 1st, 2005 at 09:04 AM]

SanDiegoSteve Tue Nov 01, 2005 03:07pm

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Well, the umpire's mechanics were wrong.

Bob, you are saying that the umpire should have killed the ball immediately upon R1's interference with F4, correct?

BigUmp56 Tue Nov 01, 2005 03:50pm

Steve,

I'm sure that's what Bob's saying. Rule 7.09 (g) when applied calls for you to kill the play.

I know you knew that, but others might not have.

Tim.

RPatrino Tue Nov 01, 2005 05:38pm

FED rules, this is a dead ball, not delayed dead ball. The runner who interfered is out. The B/R or another runner can be called out if in your judgement the interference prevented a double play on that runner. (5-1-1e) There is also a handy dandy table in the rule book.

BP

greymule Thu Nov 03, 2005 09:25am

<b>the runner is out on a 4-6 force play <u>because he chose to run</b></u>

Of course, the umpire called the entire play wrong, but I'd be interested in why he thought it was significant that the force applied because the runner "chose to run."


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