What is going on with Officiating.com?

First off there is an article by Juulie and Ray Cox, a basketball article, in the baseball section. As always, I read the article anyways. I'm sitting here reading it thinking I swear I have read this before. I click back to go to the baseball page, and see an editor's note in the "grabber" of the article. The article is from June 21st, and it was "reprinted here (baseball section) for your convenience."

Rollie's most rescent article doesn't have anything to do with officiating, it dosen't even have anything to do with sports.

Also, Ives continues his quest to turn the Official Forum into eteamz, while the basketball section has racist writers.

You're painting all of us who post there with rather a broad brush.

Care to be a little more specific?

<b>WHO IS A RACIST WRITER ON THE BASKETBALL FORUM?</b>

I didn't say anything about the forum. I said writers, refering to those who write for Officiating.com.

Quote from Juulie in Brandon's article:

We've all gotten tired of the LL BS, the complete 3rd world plays and the total $hitheads that are all over the place. Don't believe it, check out a few of the threads. A person poses a play and an old timer gives the correct answer. Then the person turns into a $hithead and argues about "real world" umpiring and other crap.

I am personally getting sick of it all! I do not enjoy having square off with every other poster but that is what it seems to be lately. There are less and less of the old timers left - each time I turn around, another one gives up. I guess, it won't be too much longer for me either..... sad!

Maybe what "everyone" is tired of is a select few elitist (in thier own minds) individuals trashing everyone who doesn't meet their criteria for involvement in "real baseball" and for not being "real umpires."

I have yet to bash anyone for the level of baseball
they work,but I must agree with those who are tired
of moronic questions by people who refuse to accept
what experienced,veteran umpires have to offer in
terms of response.I have noticed lately,though,that
a couple of said people have been noticably absent
of late.I hope they stay gone.

I'm still here umpduck. Just keeping my mouth shut, reading and trying to learn. I'm not going anywhere.

whoa! :O

Starting more $hit
 

Rich, please do us all a favor and stop trying to stir the pot. I'm sure that most of us that frequent this board know whom it is that you are refering to. Although all of us don't agree with everything he says, some of us do agree with most of it.

Re: Starting more $hit
 

Yup, I'm the one that made that statement earlier this year. Sorry if I don't believe in the church of LL but that is my opinion. My problem is when a bunch of LL'ers think that they can play "internet big diamond experts". I may not be right all the time and I don't expect to be. After 20 years I am still learning.

Sorry, I did not want to turn this into a LL discussion.

Re: Re: Starting more $hit
 

Please tell me you are kidding?

Almost no one uses their real name. Most of us have never worked with one another on this site. I have only worked a baseball game with one individual and he is one of the moderators. And you are concerned because someone that says they work a certain level talks about baseball? I would be more concerned with the people that say they work "real baseball" and cannot umpire themselves out of a wet paper bag.

Peace

Re: Starting more $hit
 

Well, first of all it's more than one person.

Secondly, the notion that lack of participation is because inexperienced people ask questions may be correct, and may not be. It is only one possibility. There could be other reasons. I suggested one.

Maybe the fact that the season is over for most is the real reason.

And see if you can rationally explain why it's OK for Luke and Ozzy to insult me but I can't comment back.

Re: Re: Re: Starting more $hit
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JRutledge

Quote:

Almost no one uses their real name. Most of us have never worked with one another on this site. I have only worked a baseball game with one individual and he is one of the moderators. And you are concerned because someone that says they work a certain level talks about baseball? I would be more concerned with the people that say they work "real baseball" and cannot umpire themselves out of a wet paper bag.

I, Sal Giacomantonio, use my real name and don't exaggerate my qualifications. Personally, I learn from many different umpires on this site with varying degree of experience levels. Besides guys that are in the game, I don't know why people hide there identity and/or misrepresent their resumes.

The level you work does not necessarily reflect how good of an umpire you are. I work with guys in the Northern League and Frontier League that I wouldn't feel comfortable walking onto a high school field with. And, vice/versa, I'm sure there are guys out there that work HS ball that could hold their own just fine on a pro ball (independent) field.

My point is just be yourself, be open minded to others opinions/suggestions and most of all, if you don't have something positive and/or constructive to add, please don't post anything at all.

Anymore I gotta agree with what was said earlier. A newbie asks a question, you give an answer and then if he does not agree with what you said the crap starts to fly.
I learned alot from this board and from the paid site but in the same aspect I am not geting much out of the paid site anymore because it is overwhelmed with little league stuff, writers with less experience calling than me (mainly on the football side). What has happened to the guys like Ed Hickland (on the football side) and a number of the guys (Porter, Emerling) that call High school baseball and above? I do not need Rollie's stories about a check swing or PB and J sandwiches that has pretty much zero point (how bout an article with a respected sports doc to better inform us on staying healthy on a field) or about how big the infield is or some reference on a "Nile Valley League" that no search engine could find squat on. I loved Carl's articles on obstruction, the Davis stance, HHH's game management articles. I don't need someone's editorals about the discussion forum. I want articles on discussions in the forum about rules, game management, or play calling. How bout more articles highly respected officials like the interview with Evans?

[Edited by cowbyfan1 on Sep 15th, 2005 at 06:43 AM]

HUH
 

Jeff, this is an absurd statement. One of the advantages of this site over places like McGripes, is that many if not most of the major posters can be identified by name. Even when they use a moniker, their names are known. GarthB, for instance, is Garth Benham, Tee is T.Alan Christensen. HHH is Peter Osborne. Besides the above names, let's look at a list of the "Almost No Ones" that you refered to:

Carl Childress
Bob Jenkins
Mick the Moderator
Rich Vietti
Chad Hickey
Sal Giaco...
Rich Ives
Mike Sears
Dale Smith
James Neil
Rich Fronheiser
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Chuck Elias
J.Rutledge is Jeff Rutledge

I've listed 17 "almost no ones." Care to change your statement? There are at least another 50-100 out there.

WOW, Seventeen people? Man that is a lot of people.
 

No, I stand by my statement. That is a very small percentage of people that post with their real names.

Most of these people are also not baseball umpires and do not post on the baseball board.

Bob, if you want to pick a fight you know where to find me. ;)

Peace

Re: WOW, Seventeen people? Man that is a lot of people.
 

Most of those posters do not post on the baseball board, you say? How about:

Garth Benham
T. Alan
Peter Osborne
Carl Childress
Bob Jenkins
Mick the Moderator
Chad Hickey
Sal Giaco...
Rich Ives
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
J.Rutledge is Jeff Rutledge

That's 11 out of 17 who post on the baseball board. The last time I checked, 11 is most of 17. It looks like you made another exaggeration, dear Jeff. And I noticed that you changed your story ever so slightly. Originaly you wrote:

"Almost no one uses their real name."

That implied that we could not identify the real name or location of those who use a moniker. As I'm sure you know, many of those who use a moniker have at one time or another identified themselves and the place where they work.

I only mentioned 17. There are many more. Pete Booth, Al Roper, Dave Hensley... I could go on and on. You're way out here on a limb here, Jeff. Care to dig your hole any deeper?

[Edited by Bob Lyle on Sep 15th, 2005 at 06:01 PM]

I'm not one. It's not a secret either. My league's URL is in my profile.

[Edited by Rich Ives on Sep 15th, 2005 at 05:48 PM]

OK Bob, where do all these people live? What levels can we confirm all these people worked? Can you name the associations all these people belong to? Can you tell us what town these people live?

It is one thing to list a name or a moniker. It is quite another to truly "know" who someone is. Anyone here can make a claim, how many of us know these people enough to know they are telling the truth?

Then again Bob, you have never said anything about yourself. You just come here to discredit me all the time. I wonder if your wife thinks about another man as much as you think about me.

Peace

Low Blows
 

Rut, I don't know the complete history here between the two of you, but that part of your last post (which I quoted above) was way over the line. You may not like Bob, hell you might even hate him for all I know (or care), but bringing anyone's marital partner into this is pure BS, and really shows your a$$.

You are right, you do not know the history.
 

You will get over it.

Peace

OK - Let's all list our info so we can prove our identity to Mr. "Rut"....

Sal Giacomantonio ("Giaco")
49334 Flint Ct
Macomb, MI 48044

Memeber of the Collegiate Baseball Umpires Alliance (CBUA)
Work D-I Conference baseball for the MAC, Horizon & Big East (Notre Dame) and non-conference in the Big Ten. Rich Fetchiet is my Supervisor

Work Independent Pro Ball for the Northern League (Gary,IN, Joliet & Schaumburg, IL) - Randy Hoback is my Supervisor. Also work in the Frontier league - Bruce Doane, Bill Lopina & Jim Schaly are my assigners.

Any other info you might need Rut? ;)

What does all this prove Sal?

BTW, have never been to a Schaumburg Flyers game or a Joliet Jackhammers game to know if you are a good umpire and I will likely not be going to a game at either venue anytime soon. I only went to a Kane County Cougars game because it was for a company in 2004. I am personally not that interested in baseball to where I would go to a minor league game. At least I know more about you now than most people that come here.

Peace

Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge What does all this prove Sal?

It proves that I'm telling the truth as to who I am. Let's drop it because I don't think you're getting the point.

By the way, if you change your mind, let me know and I'll leave you tickets at will call ;) You could leave your evaluation underneath the umpires room door - I'd be anxious to read your thoughts ha ha

Sal,

My comments were not about you personally. My comments were about most of the people that post here or any place on the internet.

Are you going to pay me to attend? If you were to pay money outside of the tickets I might seriously consider it. :D

Seriously at that time of the year I would likely be out of town going to a basketball camp or working summer league basketball. I would be working a lot of basketball staying as far away from the baseball diamond as humanly possible. I will pass on the invitation.

Peace

Jeff,

And just what, exactly, is the point you're trying to make?
Sal's willingness to provide us with such exact details as to his experience and the level of baseball he works, speaks volumes about the man. If you can't tell from reading just a few of his post's that he is an accomplished official, you are reading these threads with blinders on my friend.

You appear always ready in an instant to puff out your chest and tell everyone just how big your accomplishments have been in the state of Illinois. So what! It doesn't matter who you are, or what level of baseball you do, to me or anyone else that who post here. What matters is what you say when you make a post regarding baseball. Not all this personnal crap.

Everyone here could include their name, address, phone number, and the name of their first born, and you would still dispute their qualifications if they don't step in line with your opinions.

Truly a sad commentary my friend!


Sal,

I live in South Bend and I am a HUGE Notre Dame fan. If you can, please let me know when you will be coming here again. I would like very much to see you work a game or two.


Tim.

ill come out to schaumburg some time. its a nice little park

If it really mattered what people did, then why do people constantly come here are rip Major League Umpires anytime they make a mistake on this board? Do the comments by the peanut gallery diminish the accomplishments of Major League Umpires because they commented?

Actually I have said little to nothing about what I have done in baseball or anything in the past couple of years. When the playoffs assignments were handed out the last couple of years, I said nothing about them here. If you can find a post where I initiated such a discussion then please show it to me. I have defended myself and always will when folks want to attack me personally and say I was lying about something I actually did. I am not attacking Sal or even care what he did. There are people that will go after him and others and have never seen anyone they attack work a single game. If that makes me a bad guy to point that out, I guess I am a bad guy for telling what I see is the truth.

The major point BigUmp56 (you name once again proves my point) is that if you are looking for credit on an internet site about your officiating, you are not going to get it. It is more important to me to get the respect of my peers and people that I work with an actually know. It is truly a sad commentary if you are seriously looking for approval by what someone says here. Most officials that I personally know (D1, minor league, Pro-Am or State Final officials) and have a great deal of respect never come here and never will. I come here because this has been a hobby since around the first year of my officiating career. The next thing you are going to tell me they are not worthy because guys like you don’t approve of things they say or do on what is only a discussion board.

Peace

Re: HUH
 

ozzy6900 = Mario Fusaro - Connecticut
Profile has been removed due to abuse from some of the "winners" on this board.

[Edited by ozzy6900 on Sep 16th, 2005 at 06:37 AM]

Perhaps not here, I don't know, but over at McGripes you brag endlessly about your accomplishments. You've been caught by your Chicago cohorts embellishing your resume on more than one occasion.

Wrong again Bob. I have told people what I actually did when trolls (which you are) have tried to convince people that I never worked the playoffs or do not belong to an association. Most individuals over here are trying to learn something and talk about plays and situations. Over on McGriffs people try personally attack people at every turn. If I embellished anything I find it funny that no one puts their name behind their words when saying I embellished. Here alone there are many Chicago officials that post here. Funny none of them say the things they do at McGriffs. I guess the fact that you mentioned McGriffs just tells everyone what you are all about.

Peace

Is this the same way that I was wrong when I proved that you were exaggerating when you said that "almost no one" uses their name here. At least 20 names were then listed by me or others. 50 more could have been listed if we wanted to take the time. Considering that we probably have only about 100 posters here who post on at least a weekly basis [see note], that's not "almost no one."

But that's "almost no one" to you. Do you use the same sort of imprecise measurements when you list your accomplishements?

New Question: Since I have a name and a long history here, is your definition of a troll a person who does not agree with you?

[note] I only read the baseball, basketball, and football boards. There could be more on the other forums. The truly anonymous posters are usually the infrequent visitors.

Fifty? There are hundreds of officials that post here. Fifty is a small percentage of those numbers. You did not list 50, you listed only around 20. If this is a major issue for you, I then you once again prove my point and the kind of life you have. Even the people that have approached me and told me who they were, I would have never known who they were if they did not decide to reveal themselves to me and others that live in my state. And in baseball I have only worked with two guys on this site. So once again Bob, what is your point?

Which is it Bob, 20 or 50? And even part of the 20 you listed did not use their real names in their post. They used monikers and have decided to tell people who they are. Then you spread it out over 3 different boards. I would suspect that the basketball, baseball and football board in their respective seasons have at least 200 people that have almost 100 posts or more. So if all you could find was 20 guys (actually 17 in your other post) over three boards, then that sounds pretty minimal to me. I have met people at camps and at officiating functions that told me they were so and so, but no one else knows who they are.

Bob, who are you? How do I or anyone know that this is your name or has worked with you? I know I do not read every single post on either forum, but I sure have never read anything where you said what state you were from or specifically stated which association you belong to.

Bob, you sound like a 10 year old that wants to argue that Superman could kick the Incredible Hulk's ***. This conversation on your part is so juvenile, I wonder if you have ever officiated anything outside of kiddy ball. My comments were to challenge the fact that someone felt that this place would turn into a LL discussion board, only because the person does not like the comments of certain people. So if this is a big issue for you whether what I said fits your criteria of "almost no one," then you win. Almost no one means just that, almost no one. We are on the baseball board, so less than 10 individuals reveal their true names in their monikers or tell all of us who they really are. BTW, just telling us your name does not qualify either. I can always hide behind a name. It is another to have contact information and I respond to that information. As I said Bob, I am easy to find. Where is your email or officiating information located?

Peace

Bob:

I have found, over the 60 years of my life, that people's communications skills usually reflects their thinking skills. Anyone who communicates as jumbled and incoherently as Mr. Rutledge, is not thinking straight and perhaps is even incapable of doing so.

You won this debate on point and facts before it started. However, you can never win it with your opponent, no matter how long it continues. His experience in ignoring facts, shifting topics, not remembering or being accountable for what he has said in the past, and shading the truth far outweighs yours.

Surrender. Resistance is futile.

SURPRISE!!!!
 

Wow, another troll speaks.

Peace