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Peruvian Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:16pm

A Reds player hit an apparent home run (video replays showed it was a homer and it was originally ruled as such) that was disputed by Arizona manager Bob Melvin. Melvin came out to argue and during the argument, DeMuth actually initiated the contact and bumped Melvin and then right after that, he ejected Melvin out of the game.

I have never, ever in my life seen an umpire bump a manager intentionally before, and that apparently is what DeMuth clearly did. I think he should be suspended for initiating the contact. I was sitting there at dinner with 3 other umpires and when we saw the highlight, the conversation about whatever we were talking about stopped cold and our jaws hit the floor.

What in the world was he thinking? I've never become that enraged that I would bump or even yell at a manager. I can't imagine what was going on in his head. Maybe he was just having a bad day, I don't know. I am finding it hard to give him the benefit of the doubt after seeing the footage.

Chuck

mattmets Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:49pm

In 1999 Tom Hallion was suspended for three games for bumping Colorado C Jeff Reed during an argument.....just some food for thought.

LeftyRef Mon Aug 22, 2005 08:38am

Anyone able to find video of the play and ensuing argument online?

TriggerMN Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:13am

If it was judged that he initiated the contact, then yes, I'd agree that he should be suspended. Especially since it's basically an automatic ejection when a player or coach bumps an umpire, for good reason.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander here, I believe.


Along the same lines, Larry Poncino ejected a Mariners pitcher yesterday on his first pitch from being recalled from the minors. The Twins had taken an 8-3 lead on Lew Ford's 3rd homer of the series, and this kid's first pitch slipped out of his hand and went way over Ford's head in the 7th inning. It did appear that the ball just slipped out of the pitcher's hand, but I understand in that situation the tendency to think they might be throwing at Ford. However, I felt Poncino didn't handle the situation very professionally, as he was quite profanely verbal and his body language was probably stronger than it needed to be.

It seems MLB umpires, for whatever reason, at some points can argue vehemently just as hard as players and coaches do. I think it's just a "perk" of the job. If I did that in a high school or small college game, I wouldn't be working much longer. Perhaps it's along the same lines as the more seasoned basketball officials being a little more lackadaisical with their mechanics, because they can do the job right, so raised eyebrows are basically ignored.

LDUB Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:50am

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Originally posted by TriggerMN
I felt Poncino didn't handle the situation very professionally, as he was quite profanely verbal and his body language was probably stronger than it needed to be.
Ohh yeah, no one ever swears on the field.

mattmets Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:18pm

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Originally posted by TriggerMN
However, I felt Poncino didn't handle the situation very professionally, as he was quite profanely verbal and his body language was probably stronger than it needed to be.
Thank you Tom Lepeprd/Steve Palermo/Mike Port. I'm sure Gary Darling had a nice long talk with Larry about being "professional" after 15 years on the job.

jont Mon Aug 22, 2005 02:50pm

"If I did that in a high school or small college game, I wouldn't be working much longer."

This is not a high school or small college game.

mrm21711 Mon Aug 22, 2005 04:26pm

FYI

It is not people's jobs on this board to criticize and evaluate MLB umpires. Besides that, nobody cares you think Tim McClelland mishandled a call. Just an FYI.

mattmets Mon Aug 22, 2005 04:59pm

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Originally posted by mrm21711
FYI

It is not people's jobs on this board to criticize and evaluate MLB umpires. Besides that, nobody cares you think Tim McClelland mishandled a call. Just an FYI.

It's our job as fans, it's our right....it's just that our opinion has absolutely no influence on MLB

Matthew F Mon Aug 22, 2005 05:00pm

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Originally posted by mrm21711
FYI

It is not people's jobs on this board to criticize and evaluate MLB umpires. Besides that, nobody cares you think Tim McClelland mishandled a call. Just an FYI.

I disagree. If an example of umpiring is brought up on this board, we can evaluate the situation and be critical of the (non)actions taken, regardless of the level. Umpires are human - they make mistakes. I try to learn how to minimize those mistakes.

By constantly playing out "what-if" scenerios you prepare yourself for those situations in the game whether they be rules, mechanics or confrontations.


umpduck11 Mon Aug 22, 2005 05:45pm

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Originally posted by mrm21711
FYI

It is not people's jobs on this board to criticize and evaluate MLB umpires. Besides that, nobody cares you think Tim McClelland mishandled a call. Just an FYI.

Why not? We criticize and evaluate everyone else on
this board. Are the MLB umpires above criticism simply
because they work in the major leagues? It would seem
that you think we should have no opinion on the job
that they do,or that we should keep that opinion to ourselves.While they are infinitely more qualified
than MOST of us,but that does not make them perfect,nor
elevate them to God-like status.

MrUmpire Mon Aug 22, 2005 07:42pm

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Originally posted by mattmets
Quote:

Originally posted by mrm21711
FYI

It is not people's jobs on this board to criticize and evaluate MLB umpires. Besides that, nobody cares you think Tim McClelland mishandled a call. Just an FYI.

It's our job as fans, it's our right....it's just that our opinion has absolutely no influence on MLB

It's your RIGHT? By whose authority? Did those same people give others the right to visit whatever ditch you're digging and evaluate your performance?

You are more than welcome to voice an opinion, as they say, opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one and most of them stink. But to declare that it is your RIGHT is asinine.

DG Mon Aug 22, 2005 08:37pm

I have been critized, and I have critized others on this site, and I have learned from the experiences. Some see it as an obligation, more than a right, but what's the difference? Semantics really. You don't even have to be a paid member to provide forum feedback.

cowbyfan1 Tue Aug 23, 2005 03:55am

Demuth did nothing wrong in my opinion. I saw the replay on Sportscenter. Demuth was walking away from Brenly as he was done with the conversation. He was looking down towards the ground and Brenly came around in front of Demuth and stopped dead causing Demuth to run into him.

rcaverly Tue Aug 23, 2005 06:06am

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Originally posted by MrUmpire
It's your RIGHT? By whose authority?...

I'm just guessing here, but I suggest the U.S. Constitution: First Amendment.

Cav


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