I'm trying to get an idea of what other umpires make as opposed to me since I might move in the near future to a different state. In Tennessee for summer baseball it is $30 for 1 hour 30 min. $35 for 1:45, and $40 for 2:00. High school is $60 a game. I'm not really interested in anything more than this. What is the going rate around some of your areas?

In Northeast Ohio:
Varsity and JV High school games are $ 45.00.
We get nothing for travel or expenses.
Freshman High School games are $ 40.00.
Still nothing for travel or expenses.
Summer ball games are all $ 45.00 - these are 14 year olds up to 18 year olds.
American Legion and Roy Hobbs Games are $ 55.00.
No travel or expense money.

Little League ( forgive me ) games pay $ 32.00. I very rarely do them but they are rare for our association anyway. It usually ends up being a favor for someone who got stuck.

I would not plan where I lived based on what umpires make.
However, around here it is:

$38 AAU on small field
$42 AAU on big field
$45 JV
$55 Varsity or Jr. Legion
$65 Legion (9 innings)
$50 Adult League, and not worth the aggravation.

No travel, no expenses.


[Edited by DG on Jul 11th, 2005 at 11:10 PM]

Well,
 

We play "real" baseball and we don't use girlie time limits.

Our fees would be of little interst to you. ;-)

I'm not planning where I live due to the pay rate for umpires. I just want to get a grasp of what others make in particular regions. And by the way Tim C., girlie time limits are your friend when you do 9-14 year old where if you didn't have them, the games would go well over 2-3 hours. Time limits are a great thing for those games, so I'm not just talking about high school or college level, but all levels but thank you for your concern.

Duuuuuude!
 

I really have no interest in offer help to some one with a screen name such as yours.

Thanks,

I could care less hoss. I already got enough replies from kind umpires willing to help me in my situation. Your opinion means nothing to me.

WOW!
 

"hoss", man am I injured.

Work a real game then talk to me.

BTW, take my private e-mail as my feelings to you.

T

so I guess in your opinion a "real" game is one with no time limit. I've done plenty. High school, done it. College, done it. Any more brain busters?

Our assoc:

High school: Paid according to what the school wants to pay you. Somewhere in the range of $35-$45

Summer Ball: Colts (15-16 yo) and legion- $42. Rec league and Over 30 league pay a bit more, but i'm not sure since i don't do those games.

man that seems really cheap for a high school rate. Where do you live?

UK payment
 

Just for General Interest
Baseball - In the UK we get £30.00 a game for Local League and up to £50.00 a game for National League games, plus all get .30p a mile for travel. Bearing in mind that 99% of the time we handle a one umpire system due to lack of umpires.
Softball Slowpitch - We get £14.00 a league game and £13.00 a tournament game, although we generally do 14/15 games a weekend at tourneys (all one ump system)

Re: Duuuuuude!
 

:rolleyes:

Great attitude. The guy was just curious about something and from left field, you decide to be immature about it. It currently says that you have a little over 11-hundred posts. How many of those have actually contributed to OF? These 3 posts have done squat for OF. Way to contribute!

Has anyone compiled all of Tee's criteria for what constitutes "real baseball?" Or, the things that "real umpires" do or don't do?

Tee -- you oughtta write an article on "Real Baseball and Real Umpires" for the paid site that you could then tout here.

So,
 

JR, it must be OK for someone to disrespect the the name of umpires in your book. Fine, you're a basketball guy any way.

I just see things differently.

ChapJim:

"Real Baseball" is played on 90 foot diamonds, by players of shaving age, and not limited by "time limits". That is really all I have ever said equals "real baseball".

It would be a short article.

College game and time limits -- someone is pulling our leg. The only time I have ever heard of a time limit game in college is when there is a field (town) ruling about the time an inning can start during a night game OR in some rare times when one team has to catch a plane out of town at the end of a series. That is not a time limit in "length of game" it is simply an ending time by rule.

[Edited by Tim C on Jul 12th, 2005 at 09:15 AM]

Don't expect that kind of money everywhere!
 

Well, If you're making $60 for a HS game in summer ball, that is really high. HS rates are only $45 per game in our area and if I work two games i consider $85 great.

But $60 per game, that's really really high.

I don't do "small ball" guys who don't shave, but most of our regular summer rates are usually around $40 per game plate, $35 for bases for HS kids.

I've done some select ball leagues that pay $40 per game, and they play a two hour time limit, so that seems to fit the area.

Let's see, you've done HS and college ball, and now you're working with 9 year olds - something kind of strange in those words or either you are just one of those who does it only for the money.

I don't have the patience to put up with the parents and I don't like the idea of getting hit every other pitch for $35.

Thanks
David

Dude, what 'college - done that' have you worked? Your "situation question" inquiry shows you do not have the rules knowledge to have worked that level of ball.....unless you meant fraternity intramural :D


jes' wondering

[Edited by LMan on Jul 12th, 2005 at 09:44 AM]

I guess we all can't be professionals like Tim C. guys. We'll just keep umpiring our "fake" games

Re: Don't expect that kind of money everywhere!
 

HS here in Ct is about $75.00

I know in Long Island, they get $100.00 for Varsity. That is per official.

That is correct, I do it only for the money. There are people in Knoxville that umpire many high school and college games throughout the year, and when summer hits, they do little kids because there are not many opportunites to do the high school and college-aged kids. And by the way, my situation questions were debated by many other people and I am 21 years old and still learning. I've done junior college and 4-year private schools.

Last time I checked, kids from eight to eighteen still need umpires for games. Not all of them are "inferior", despite the attitude as such here.

Re: So,
 

First, I agree that "time limit" and "curfew" are not the same thing. Beyond that, it is your definition and you're entitled to it, no matter how arbitrary and capricious.

However, if you refuse to work anything that doesn't meet your definition of "real baseball" then you couldn't work very many games over the course of a year.

Here (Northern VA), the only games that have no time limit (other than NCAA and HS) are American Legion, some college age rec leagues, and some men's games during the week. The weeknight men's games tend to be nine inning games with a 8:00 PM start and a "no new inning after 2h50min" provision that is stated as a time limit but is really a curfew. Those same games on a weekend are played on a three hour interval, which is a time limit.

Other than that, seven inning games play on a 2-1/2 hour interval. That includes senior (16-18) AAU, senior (16-19) Babe Ruth, MABA, and some MABL games. Some weekend American Legion schedules are two seven inning games on a 2-1/2 hour interval.

I would consider all of these leagues/games to be "real baseball."

We have lower age group AAU and Babe Ruth that varies in quality from very good to dreadful. I worked a Sunday afternoon 13 YO AAU double about six weeks ago. The first game finished on a 10-run rule in the bottom of the fifth after 1 hour 12 minutes. The second game played seven full in 1 hour 37 minutes. Maybe not "real baseball" but lots of fun to work and watch.

Sorry you never get to see such things, Tee.

Well,
 

ChapJim:

Good idea defining curfew . . . I missed that reference.

In my area there are very few "timed" games. We have a Legion Wood bat Tourney that limits to 2:15 per game. In the last three years they have never had to use the time limit. I choose not to work that tourney.

Games:

We have just about as many games as anyone would want.

We have a high school association that has about 180 members. This includes about 30 college umpires.

During the school season we work 50 high schools and about 30 to 35 colleges.

We are short umpires all spring and a guy can work just about every day if he selects.

During the summer things change.

We have many fewer umpires and work many, many more teams.

We are short handed nearly every weekend. We have to send single umpires to games that would happily pay for two . . . we do not have the ability to send three man crews when requested.

Just too many games.

I work the number of games that "I" select to work. I work often enough to help the group but not to often to cause problems at work.

As we know, ad naseum, I don't work Little Tyke ball.

Chap, I work High School in the spring (retired from the college group 3 or 4 years ago) and AAA American Legion during the summer.

I passed on working high school playoff games this season.

We (Portland) host the State Championship Babe Ruth (13/15 yr olds) each year, I select not to work that.

We also have MABL and MSBL, I select not to work that.

We have many AAU Travel tourneys that pass through our area. I select not to work those.

So you said:

"However, if you refuse to work anything that doesn't meet your definition of "real baseball" then you couldn't work very many games over the course of a year."

That maybe true in your area but not mine.

I am sure, if I wanted, I could work 150 games per year under my set criteria. I have a friend who has the same rules as I and he works from 125 to 150 games a year (he does do college so that gives him 20 extra games if weather permits).

Jim, I select to work about 50 games a year.

Now, as you are certainly aware, I have worked over 3,700 games over the last 36 years. None have been small diamond.

So in my area an umpire can work a "full schedule" by only working "real baseball."

Hope this clears things up.

Re: Re: Don't expect that kind of money everywhere!
 

Wow, either you guys don't have many games, or there is a severe shortage of umpires.

If I made that kind of money, I could quit my day job and simply work nights and weekends.

I generally work two nights a week and weekends so its about 6-7 games.

That would be $600-700 a week, - my wife would love that instead of the $250-300 that I bring home.

Thanks
David

In my area:

Time limit and age limit have no bearing on rates.

Palomino on down. $45 to $55 per game per umpire. Depends upon league etc.

High School $55 single game varsity $88 to $96 doubleheader per umpire per game.

JV, Sophmore and Freshman $55 due to shortage typically one umpire DH $88 to $96 again typically one umpire.

JUCO and DIII $70 for 7 innings $90 for 9 innings per umpire per game.

Yep,
 

David:

HHH has documented the "fee levels" for umpiring in his area.

Peter is a union umpire and they make fees unheard of anywhere else in the USA.

In a national Poll we find that the "average" high school game (varsity) goes at about $45 to $50.

We also find that in "most" areas summer baseball pays slightly less.

Now these are "cross sectional" studies and should not be confused with specific areas that can be considerably higher or significantly lower. This is a true averge.

The study also finds that it does not matter if an umpire is a true independant contractor and must find and book his own games or if an umpire is a member of an assocation that assigns games.

Let's face it:

Many umpires in my area select to work 1:45 games (with time limits) that pay cash and are not part of our assocaiton coverage. These games are usually held on diamonds smaller than 90'.

We also lost umpires this year to lacrosse which is a timed game (they run about 1:10) and again pay cash ($50).

This makes it hard to find umpires.

BTW, in my area we pay middle school, frosh and JV umpires about 72% of a varsity fee. This also makes it difficult to find new recruits.

Also, we pay 11% to our assignor off the gross of the game.

We are paid mileage -- which is divided evenly between the two crew mates.

Re: Re: Re: Don't expect that kind of money everywhere!
 

I don't think so David. Unfortuanetly the cost of housing, taxes, gas ,insurance and every other thing in these areas, almost necessitates that you keep your day and night job.

You may be better off than you think!!!!!

What about the going rate around Texas? Anybody know that?

They get to write article for Carl.

"They get to write article for Carl"


What do you mean by that?

texas around san antonio
pony
palomino/colt 35.00 2hr limit
pony 32.00 1.55 limit
bronco 26.00 1.45 limit
mustang 24.00 1.40 limit

select ball -- 25.00-35.00 2 hr limit
jv 35-40 plus mileage
varsity 55-65 plus mileage

usssa @30.00 2hr limit
msbl 65.00
I can actually make more money doing fastpitch most of the time, but I prefer baseball

dude - if you've seen a time-limited college game, I believe it may be the first (with the possible exception of Canadian curfews)

Re: Don't expect that kind of money everywhere!
 

David,

As one who has done, and still does, HS and college during the spring, yet almost exclusively does only small field ball during the summer, let me assure you it is not for the money. It is for the kids. Those who are in it only for the money are on the big field because the pay is better.

My two purposes in umpiring summer ball is to work with the younger umpires and reign in the out-of-control coaches. I find the game, once the coaches either understand their role in the game or are gone, a refreshing break from the attitudes found in the older kids.

This year, I worked a HS sectional in mid-May, then did not work another big field game until late June, and only worked them to get ready for the tournaments which started last week.

I get $20 or $25 per game depending on the league. That does not come out to much per hour, but I would not trade the joy of working with the young kids and beginning umpires for all of the $40 games in the world.

Western Pennsylvania

Pony/Colt $45-50
Adult wood bat $60-$70

If you dont like that, here our varsity pays $46 (with no % due our assignor) and JV only pays $32 and Frosh $28. And we are the highest paying association in our state for varsity. (I have heard)

Re: Re: Don't expect that kind of money everywhere!
 

I have to ask - what county?

Re: Re: Re: Don't expect that kind of money everywhere!
 

Hartford Board

Oklahoma, least in the Tulsa area
Pre-k thru 5th grade rec ball 20-25
I think most of the other kids leagues pay anywhere from 20-30 a game
high school spring 50 single 90 for a DH
summer 75 for a DH
legion 80 for a DH (7 inning)
MABL/MSBL I think is 50
College is 80 and up.

Here in the Southern Piedmont of NC, we get the following:


Small ball- Not sure because I don't work any games there any more, but It's between $20-$30.

13-14 Dixie- $30 bases, $35 plate
15-18 Dixie-$35 bases, $40 plate
JV HS- $50 per game, no travel fee
Varsity HS- $55 per game, no travel fee (this goes to $60 during conference tourney and playoffs)
Jr. Legion- $55 (7 innings)
Sr. Legion-$75 (9 innings)


Lawrence

What state would that be?

OH

Booooooo! err... sorry, natural Pennsylvanian reaction when i hear (or read) Ohio.

:D :D :D hehehe

Not true: my friends from Philly think Ohio is right out near Colorado, and they couldn't care less.

The phenomenon you describe is, I think, unique to PITTSBURGH and vicinity. It likely stems from an inferiority complex with respect to the Cleveland Indians. Who wouldn't envy having Chief Wahoo for their logo?

Yes, that would be a Western PA reaction.

We still have the Steelers, so we really could give a crap about the indians since they are in the AL and the buccos never play them.

Browns on the other hand.....

Definition: professional- One who earns money for a skill or craft that they speacialize in.

Translation- If you get paid for umpiring games, you are a professional.

I agree with Tim C though i umpire a summer rec leauge that my son is in for just the fun of baseball, I know it is not real baseball. And although it is not weird baseball i see things like some umpires will never see in there life, such as the other night when a pitcher did a 360 on the pitching plate and balked about 10 times. My point is that its not realy games but they still can be fun if you arn't just in it for the monney. And as far as any leauge goes if your just in it for the money, just quit now cause you will never be great. ( not to say im great or anything

Definition: professional- One who earns money for a skill or craft that they speacialize in.

Translation- If you get paid for umpiring games, you are a professional.

I agree with Tim C though i umpire a summer rec leauge that my son is in for just the fun of baseball, I know it is not real baseball. And although it is not weird baseball i see things like some umpires will never see in there life, such as the other night when a pitcher did a 360 on the pitching plate and balked about 10 times. My point is that its not realy games but they still can be fun if you arn't just in it for the monney. And as far as any leauge goes if your just in it for the money, just quit now cause you will never be great. ( not to say im great or anything)

"Definition: professional- One who earns money for a skill or craft that they speacialize in.

Translation- If you get paid for umpiring games, you are a professional.

I agree with Tim C though i umpire a summer rec leauge that my son is in for just the fun of baseball, I know it is not real baseball. And although it is not weird baseball i see things like some umpires will never see in there life, such as the other night when a pitcher did a 360 on the pitching plate and balked about 10 times. My point is that its not realy games but they still can be fun if you arn't just in it for the monney. And as far as any leauge goes if your just in it for the money, just quit now cause you will never be great. ( not to say im great or anything)"

Just because it is rec-ball does not mean that it is not "real" baseball. It's baseball no matter how you look at it, the level and competitiveness is just not as good. Do I have fun doing it? You dang right, I love umpiring. Do I also do it for the money, you dang right. Factoring the prices out, it equals out to being around $20 an hour that I make, to a junior in college, that kind of money is gold. Maybe not to you or the big-dogs on here, but to me it sure beats flippin hamburgers or lifting boxes for $7 an hour.

and by the way drumbum. We can tell you don't know anything because there is no such thing as a "pitching plate". It's a pitcher's mound. Try to at least use the correct terminology. Now I understand why an adult is umpiring rec-ball.

Am I seeing double, or triple, or just getting older than I thought?

You need to correct the NFHS then, dudeinblue - THEY refer to the "pitcher's plate".

I promise,
 

"We can tell you don't know anything because there is no such thing as a "pitching plate". It's a pitcher's mound. Try to at least use the correct terminology. Now I understand why an adult is umpiring rec-ball."

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I will be nice, I will be nice, I will be nice, I will be nice, I will be nice, I will be nice.

Grrrr,

You better write some letters to get the NCAA book and the OBR corrected too.

You don't have to be nice. Correct me and rebuke me if I am wrong. I have just never ever heard it referred to as a "pitcher's plate" in my life and I played it in high school and for 2 years in college and have been umpiring for 3 years now. Am I wrong, please let me know? To my knowledge, it is a rubber on the pitcher's mound, and home plate, correct?

alright, sorry rickfriedmann. I just checked and the OBR does refer to it as the "pitcher's plate" in some instances. But the majority of times it is called the rubber. I had just never heard that so now I know something new. Sorry I answered that way. As stated before, I am 21 years old and have been umpiring 3 years, I have alot to learn. Sorry again