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thumpferee Tue Mar 01, 2005 09:44am

I need a new chest protector, but that helmet looks great and I'm not trying to dish out 300 bucks for both. Does anyone wear the helmet? Is it comfortable?

Helmet vs mask should have been the question!

Your thoughts please!

Rich Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:34am

Quote:

Originally posted by thumpferee
I need a new chest protector, but that helmet looks great and I'm not trying to dish out 300 bucks for both. Does anyone wear the helmet? Is it comfortable?

Helmet vs mask should have been the question!

Your thoughts please!

If you need a new chest protector, you'lve already answered your question. If there's one piece of equipment NOT to skimp on, it's that.

thumpferee Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:17am

I went with the Gerry Davis Diamond Chest Protector 2 years ago mainly because of the cost difference.

What are your thoughts on this chest protector? Did I waste my money?

ozzy6900 Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:59am

Quote:

Originally posted by thumpferee
I went with the Gerry Davis Diamond Chest Protector 2 years ago mainly because of the cost difference.

What are your thoughts on this chest protector? Did I waste my money?

I had the older version of the GD Diamond Protector for many years. About 2 years ago I was doing a Legion game. I took a foul ball straight to the chest and the plastic ribs gave way and I ended up on the ground and the EMS had to rush me to the hospital. Doctors told me I was lucky to survive the arythmia (I have a heart condition to start with). When I got out of the hospital I ordered my WV Platinum. I would never do another game with any other chest protector!

kylejt Tue Mar 01, 2005 02:17pm

I, too, got nailed with the same protector. I didn't go to the hospital, but I felt goofier than ususal for several day. In retrospect I should have been checked out.

I've got a standard WV, and a platinum I rotate with now. A hard shell it the only way to go, IMO.

Helmets are different. Better vision, hotter, louder when you take a shot and you can't hear as well. I only use mine with clam-shell type back stops, where balls can knonk you you on the top of your head. I've got the All Star that's made of fiberglass and Kevlar. It's ok, and like I said, different.

greymule Tue Mar 01, 2005 02:33pm

<b>I took a foul ball straight to the chest and the plastic ribs gave way and I ended up on the ground and the EMS had to rush me to the hospital.</b>

Ozzy: Please just lie still and don't move until an attorney acquaintance of mine arrives. Where are you exactly?

He thanks you in advance.

WestCoastUmpire Tue Mar 01, 2005 07:48pm

Quote:

Originally posted by thumpferee
I need a new chest protector, but that helmet looks great and I'm not trying to dish out 300 bucks for both. Does anyone wear the helmet? Is it comfortable?

Helmet vs mask should have been the question!

Your thoughts please!

I have both the WV Platinum and the All-Star Helmet. The main selling points for me were safety. The WV Platinum is well constructed and fits me quite well (which is a good thing because I am on the thin side and most gear like this is too big). I much prefer the All-Star Helmets to the regular face mask, as the visibility (in my opinion anyway) is better, and I find that I can speak in a clearer fashion. There is plenty of venting in the helmet, so I don't find that it gets too hot, though I wouldn't want to wear a hat underneath it.

It's hard to say which one you should get first. Both are important; I would lean towards the chest protector first, and then the helmet soon thereafter, depending on the level of baseball you are working and the quality of your existing equipment.

I can't put a price on my own safety, but if you're working higher level baseball, you may want to seriously consider the cost as an investment in your own health.

Good luck.

ozzy6900 Tue Mar 01, 2005 08:27pm

Quote:

Originally posted by greymule
<b>I took a foul ball straight to the chest and the plastic ribs gave way and I ended up on the ground and the EMS had to rush me to the hospital.</b>

Ozzy: Please just lie still and don't move until an attorney acquaintance of mine arrives. Where are you exactly?

He thanks you in advance.

Naw, the protector had seen its better days. I should have gotten rid of it long before that happened.

LDUB Tue Mar 01, 2005 08:31pm

Quote:

Originally posted by WestCoastUmpire
I can't put a price on my own safety, but if you're working higher level baseball, you may want to seriously consider the cost as an investment in your own health.
I agree. If you are worried about spending money, $300 will be a lot cheaper than your hospital bill.

edhern Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:06am

What's the problem? I have both a West Vest and an All Star helmet. Chest protector is definitely a higher priority.

Ed H

greymule Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:28pm

<b>$300 will be a lot cheaper than your hospital bill.</b>

Are you sure?

I'm looking at a bill of mine from Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City:

4½ days semi-private care @ $10.50: $47.25
Laboratory services: $11.00
Drugs: $1.65
Penicillin: $2.20
X-Ray: $15.00

Total: $77.10

This figure represents the entire cost of the treatment. No co-pay, no insurance, no HMO. Four and a half days in a rather famous hospital, and for $77.10 I was paid in full.

Let's see. The date on the bill is . . . February 4, 1953.

Tim C Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:46pm

grey
 
Hehehehe,

Nicely done.

bdub712 Wed Mar 02, 2005 01:02pm

When I started college baseball three years ago, I had to upgrade my equipment. I used the standard mask for a long time, but made the switch to the All-star mask. BOY..what a difference. The fit between the mask and the WV took some time to get familiar with, but now I move with greater ease and trust in my equipment.

tjones1 Wed Mar 02, 2005 01:18pm

Nice one grey!! :D

mbyron Thu Mar 03, 2005 01:51am

Quote:

Originally posted by greymule

I'm looking at a bill of mine from Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City:

4½ days semi-private care @ $10.50: $47.25
Laboratory services: $11.00
Drugs: $1.65
Penicillin: $2.20
X-Ray: $15.00

Total: $77.10

I wonder what that bill would run today, with no insurance. I'm guessing $1500/day for the room, maybe $2K for labwork, $800 for drugs, and $400 for "radiological services," assuming that you had an x-ray not MRI, CT, PET scan, etc.

What's that come to, about ten grand?

Experiencing that "hospital fresh" smell? Priceless.

greymule Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:30am

Well, the elderly uncle of a friend of mine spent a week in the hospital back in the fall. The bill was $99,000.

The year that guy was born, you could have <i>built</i> a hospital for $99,000.

The price makes me wonder whether the hospital was having a special sale that week.

"That's right, folks, a full week for only $99,000! Don't wait! Call 1-800-LOW-COST right away."

In 1993, my daughter spent a week in the hospital with osteomyelitis. That bill was $24,000. Six more weeks on intravenous antibiotic at home cost another few thousand.

That's a lot of games to ump.

[Edited by greymule on Mar 3rd, 2005 at 12:30 PM]

cowbyfan1 Fri Mar 04, 2005 07:35am

I use the allstar helmet with the steel cage. Paid $110 and will never use a regular mask again. Yeah a little load when hit but nothing that bad and never been hurt. I took one shot that slightly bent the steel cage and was ready for the next pitch as if nothing ever happened.
I have the gray wilson chest protector and a cooper ump1000 that I flip flop. Have taken serious shots to all both and never felt a thing. I got the wilson for about $95 and the cooper I got on EBAY for $62 with shipping (they are usually around $100-110). So I spent about $270 for all 3 and am perfectly safe.

thumpferee Tue Mar 08, 2005 07:54am

Thanks All for your advise!

I ended up spending my birthday and Christmas gift money in an hour.

I ended up getting the Gerry Davis High Top Patent Leather Plate Shoes, the West Vest Platinum, black and blue pro mesh fitted combo hats, black Major League shirt, another pair of Combo Pants because my other ones faded last year and an UMP T-shirt.

Now the only thing I have to get is the Black Major League Jacket and Blue Jacket. When does it all end?

My wife is gonna kill me! LOL


tjones1 Wed Mar 09, 2005 04:49pm

Quote:

Originally posted by thumpferee
Thanks All for your advise!

I ended up spending my birthday and Christmas gift money in an hour.

I ended up getting the Gerry Davis High Top Patent Leather Plate Shoes, the West Vest Platinum, black and blue pro mesh fitted combo hats, black Major League shirt, another pair of Combo Pants because my other ones faded last year and an UMP T-shirt.

Now the only thing I have to get is the Black Major League Jacket and Blue Jacket. When does it all end?

My wife is gonna kill me! LOL


I hope you have a navy shirt.

thumpferee Mon Mar 14, 2005 01:02pm

long and short sleeve navy shirt
 
My WV just got here and I don't like the way it fits. Is very tight near the armpits because of that padding there. I tried to make an out call or strike call and the friction almost started a fire.

Anyone else have that problem? Will it loosen up with wear?

Any suggestions besides sending it back?

Thanks for your suggestions!


Tim C Mon Mar 14, 2005 01:17pm

Mmmmm,
 
I suggest you read the following thread:

http://www.umpire.org/modules.php?na...ewtopic&t=1533

thumpferee Mon Mar 14, 2005 01:57pm

How ironic
 
Thanks Tim!


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