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Carl Childress Fri Sep 10, 2004 02:51pm
Quote:
Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
Tee,
When did you graduate Pro School?
What position in class?
Were you hired for a Minor League Roster?
How many years did you work at that level?
For whom?
How many games did you work at the D-1 level this year?
How many Minor League games did you work this year?

Those are personal questions, directed at the person who said he would match resumes with me.

I'm waiting.
Listen, most people here are sick of your nonsense.

T. Alan Christensen is a respected baseball writer, umpire, and trainer. He has been a force for honesty on the internet since its inception.

His name and number are in the phone book.

You, on the other hand, are an anonymous little pissant. You don't have the right even to ask Tee what his shoe size is.

BTW: Tee and I don't even like each other.

Go back to McGriff's.

We're waiting....

WindyCityBlue Fri Sep 10, 2004 02:51pm
There are many more...
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:
Originally posted by Tim C


BTW, I simply stated facts. There is no system under FED to make individual changes to their rules. If you do, then you are simply no longer playing under FED rules.
That's true for the FED football and basketball rulesets also.
Yes, we know what the rule book says, but we've been discussing how certain things are changed at the discretion of the governing body (state or local).

Examples:
1) Enforcing the batter's box rule
2) Not allowing a JV player to substitute because he isn't wearing the EXACT uniform of the varsity (even though everyone knows his uniform is red and the opposition is black and white)
3) The dugout extensions and warm up area, as decribed this past season in a point of clarification
4) Pine tar above the allowable mark
5) Allowing only OFFICIAL Fed baseballs
6) The mercy rule
7) Blood on a uniform
8) Warm ups on the sidelines while the other team is taking infield
9) Mounds that conform to the rule book!

Carl Childress Fri Sep 10, 2004 02:53pm
Quote:
Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
Tee,
When did you graduate Pro School?
What position in class?
Were you hired for a Minor League Roster?
How many years did you work at that level?
For whom?
How many games did you work at the D-1 level this year?
How many Minor League games did you work this year?

Those are personal questions, directed at the person who said he would match resumes with me.

I'm waiting.
Listen, most people here are sick of your nonsense.

T. Alan Christensen is a respected baseball writer, umpire, and trainer. He has been a force for honesty on the internet since its inception.

His name and number are in the phone book.

You, on the other hand, are an anonymous little pissant. You don't have the right even to ask Tee what his shoe size is.

BTW: Tee and I don't even like each other.

Go back to McGriff's.

We're waiting....

Hey, Tee: I just had a thought: Maybe WCB is Erik Stahlbusch.

Tim C Fri Sep 10, 2004 03:43pm
OK,
 
I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public.

Thanks for your interest.

T

WindyCityBlue Fri Sep 10, 2004 04:06pm
From Carl Childress September 7, 2004 at 9:48 p.m.

I've just added WCB to the list of Forum members I won't reply to anymore.

It's a short list.
__________________
Papa C
Editor-in-Chief
Officiating.com

Pissant, moi?
I thought you were still mad that I asked for the ring back.
Okay, you can keep it. But, I’ll never love you the same.

Tim C.,
You laid out the challenge. Now you say I humiliated myself? Who is scared?

WCB

David B Fri Sep 10, 2004 09:28pm
Quote:
Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
Tee,
When did you graduate Pro School?
What position in class?
And you really think that people on this board care about whether someone has graduated from a pro school or not?

Anyone can attend a pro school and graduate and most that I have seen are NOT good umpires.

So I would drop that from your resume.

You can tell a lot about a person by what they write - enough said.

Thanks
David

Tim C Fri Sep 10, 2004 09:56pm
Hmmm,
 
Windy:

You win. The site, from my perspective, is yours.

Tee

[Edited by Tim C on Sep 11th, 2004 at 12:47 PM]

GarthB Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:49am
Quote:
Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
Tee,
When did you graduate Pro School?
What position in class?
Were you hired for a Minor League Roster?
How many years did you work at that level?
For whom?
How many games did you work at the D-1 level this year?
How many Minor League games did you work this year?

Those are personal questions, directed at the person who said he would match resumes with me.

I'm waiting.
Resumes begin with names. Tee has laid his out for everyone to see. Match that.

GarthB Sat Sep 11, 2004 01:06am
Quote:
Originally posted by Carl Childress
Quote:
Originally posted by GarthB
Quote:
Originally posted by Carl Childress
Quote:
Originally posted by GarthB
Carl wrote:

<b>As I told Tim, things are different now that Rumble has retired. Said he: "You bet! I like Elliot. He listens."</b>

This begs the question, to whom is he listening? Apparently not to Tim or other sensible state level interpreters who preferred that FED adopt an OBR-like intepretation.
In the meantime, I have clipped your message and sent it to Tim. No doubt he'll get a good laugh when he finds out you thought he was begging the question.

Note that what I wrote is a quote (Said he: "You bet! I like Elliot. He listens."). They are not my words, and I checked the quote with Tim to be sure it was accurate.
I doubt Tim will laugh. I emailed him myself with the same remark. He knows it is not an insult, but rather an honest question. And Tim is one who answers honest questions rather than avoiding them or trying to make them out to be something other than just what they are. I've never heard a cross word from Tim and I've never, in the long time we've been acquainted, seen him belittle anyone.

This is just one reason Tim, in the opinon of many,is the most respected umpire on the internet.

I expect instead an intelligent reply as to why he thinks his opinion didn't sway Elliot.




[Edited by GarthB on Sep 10th, 2004 at 01:20 AM]
Good look over someone's shoulder next week. Stevens writes for Officiating.com. He'll explain it for you.

BTW: I, too, knew you didn't realize you were accusing Mr. Stevens of deceptive argument.
Perhaps those of your age can only intepret it that way.

However, "Begging the question, in modern popular usage, is almost always synonymous with raising the question.

While the original meaning, still defended by some, is different: it once only described a type of logical fallacy A logical fallacy is an error in logical argument which is independent of the truth of the premises; that is no longer accepted as the sole meaning."

Again except perhaps by retired high school English teachers.

umpyre007 Sat Sep 11, 2004 09:12pm
Re: Hmmm,
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Tim C
"FED rules may form the "vast basis" of the rule book but there are certain things that are left to the governing leagues."

Please be very careful with statements such as this.

The Federation Charter states, areas, cities and leagues are not allowed to make arbitrary changes to FED rules.

While it is clear that some areas "say" they have local interpretations those changes ARE NOT condoned or accepted by FED.

FED has no process (other than FED asking states to 'try' new or corrected rulings in test situations) for states to step outside their rules.

If you don't believe me on this issue just contact Kyle McNeely and he can explain more fully.

I would appreciate that you let me contact your local assignor or association President so that we can discuss what local rules your group has established.

Thanks in advance.

Tee
Nowhere did I state that these changes to FED rules were our association's changes. We work for entities so we adjust to those entities' wishes. I doubt very little would be accomplished by you since you are not recognized in my area. Like the rest of us you're just another Internet umpire. You'll have to set up the appointment with the local leagues that are run by HS principals and ADs anyway.

U7

umpyre007 Sat Sep 11, 2004 09:16pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Carl Childress
And you are who from where?
NOT Texas... and definitely beyond your sphere of influence.

U7

Peruvian Sat Sep 11, 2004 09:26pm
Quote:
Originally posted by scyguy
runner on 2nd, ball hit to pitcher, ball is lodged in his glove, he cannot get it out, so he tosses glove to first before batter-runner reaches first. Ruling--runner at 2nd is awarded home and batter is awarded 2nd. Is this correct?
Talk about off-topic! [sarcasm on] You, as the original thread starter, should learn not to post off topic things. [/sarcasm off]

I didn't know officiating.com has now become http://www.whocanpissthefarthest.com .

umpyre007 Sat Sep 11, 2004 09:26pm
Re: Re: Hmmm,
 
Quote:
Originally posted by His High Holiness
Quote:
Originally posted by Tim C
"FED rules may form the "vast basis" of the rule book but there are certain things that are left to the governing leagues."

Please be very careful with statements such as this.

The Federation Charter states, areas, cities and leagues are not allowed to make arbitrary changes to FED rules.

While it is clear that some areas "say" they have local interpretations those changes ARE NOT condoned or accepted by FED.

FED has no process (other than FED asking states to 'try' new or corrected rulings in test situations) for states to step outside their rules.

If you don't believe me on this issue just contact Kyle McNeely and he can explain more fully.

I would appreciate that you let me contact your local assignor or association President so that we can discuss what local rules your group has established.

Thanks in advance.

Tee
Tee;

On March 26, 2001, Warren Willson said that I was umpyre007 and Warren couldn't be wrong, could he? :D Moving right along, let me answer for my area of the country. I do not know who umpyre007 is or where he lives.

I have been to any number of high school games in the DC area that modify the FED rules. I do not work a lot of FED ball any more but the most recent case that I can recall (March/April 2004) was at Flint Hill High School in Oakton, Virginia. At the plate conference, we were informed that only OBR balks were to be called and that they played with the OBR visits rule. There may have been some other changes but they had nothing to do with safety. I would not have compromised on that. Prior to FED adopting appeals, I am fairly sure that this school played with OBR appeals.

I also recall a game this spring at Paul VI High School in Fairfax, VA that was played against a public high school that had some of the same rules modifications.

My local association has not modified any rules but I do not believe that umpyre007 was talking about that. He specifically mentioned "governing leagues" as the ones who modify rules.

Peter
Peter,

At least someone can read and understand that it was NOT our association that was changing things, rather the educated idiots that run the leagues. Maybe more of THEM should retire? Good job!

As a "modification example" we stopped enforcing the shoulder turn balk three years ago at the request of the coaches and leagues. Guess we were just ahead of the times, eh?

U "Warren" 7 :p

umpyre007 Sat Sep 11, 2004 09:35pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Peruvian
I didn't know officiating.com has now become http://www.whocanpissthefarthest.com .
You left off part of the URL. It should read http://www.whocanpissthefarthestWITH...EIRPANTIES.com

Official Boredom is also closely related to http://www.lukecomeovertothedarkside.net and http://www.mywayorthehighway.org

U7 :eek:

Peruvian Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:35pm
Anybody see the October issue of Referee?
 
Page 67

Lodged Ball 5-1-1

The committee clarified the result of the play if a batted ball becomes lodged in a fielder's glove:

Play 13: With (a) no runners on base, or (b) R1 on first, B1's line drive to the mound smacks into F1's glove, but the force of the hit knock the glove off of his hand. The glove lands on the ground with the ball lodged in the webbing. F1 recovers the glove and prepares to throw the glove with the lodged ball to first base.

RULING: In (a) and (b), the ball is dead when the umpire sees the lodged ball. B1 is awarded first base. In (b), R1 is awarded two bases.

Ugghhh! Why does the FED INSIST on being different just for the sake of being different?


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