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DG Wed May 12, 2004 07:13am
The official scorekeeper may have a record of the previous "non-at-bat" (ie ball-strike count) but it does not count statistically.

bob jenkins Wed May 12, 2004 07:13am
Quote:
Originally posted by baseballfan
sir_eldren hit the nail on the head:

"Does the AB count as an AB, or is it tossed out when he comes to the plate again to start the new inning? We all know that he gets a fresh count, but what comes of the record of his last AB?"

Still haven't heard anyone give an answer to this.
No one has addressed it because the rules don't cover it -- it doesn't affect the game or any recognized statistics.

you can probably get a number higher that 12 if you include balks, and a rained-out / replayed game where the batter in question is the lead-off batter.

Patrick Szalapski Wed May 12, 2004 08:16am
Quote:
Originally posted by baseballfan
sir_eldren hit the nail on the head:

"Does the AB count as an AB, or is it tossed out when he comes to the plate again to start the new inning? We all know that he gets a fresh count, but what comes of the record of his last AB?"

Still haven't heard anyone give an answer to this.
It's pretty much gone--it is what it is. The rules don't give any thought to whether an at-bat can span innings, etc. I've always seen an incomplete plate appearance as no at-bat, kind of like when a third-inning rainout is "no game" (OBR 4.10)--but again, the rules don't really address this largely rhetorical issue.

For statistical purposes, in the previous innning, any pitches that were thrown count against the pitcher's pitch count, but nothing else would be recorded for the incomplete plate appearance.

P-Sz

LDUB Thu May 13, 2004 12:28am
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Originally posted by baseballfan
What's the most pitches a batter can take without swinging the bat in a single at bat?

I believe the answer is 6. Either 2 balls and 3 strikes, or 3 balls and 2 strikes with the 6th pitch being a strike, a ball, a passed ball or a hit batter.
You know, the batter could just stand there with the bat on his shoulder, and if the pitch hits it and rolls foul you have a foul ball. So he could stand there forever, without ever swinging the bat. He would just foul off every pitch that was thrown at him.

baseballfan Thu May 13, 2004 01:39pm
Quote:
Originally posted by LDUB
Quote:
Originally posted by baseballfan
What's the most pitches a batter can take without swinging the bat in a single at bat?

I believe the answer is 6. Either 2 balls and 3 strikes, or 3 balls and 2 strikes with the 6th pitch being a strike, a ball, a passed ball or a hit batter.
You know, the batter could just stand there with the bat on his shoulder, and if the pitch hits it and rolls foul you have a foul ball. So he could stand there forever, without ever swinging the bat. He would just foul off every pitch that was thrown at him.
A foul ball is considered a swing whether the batter swung the bat or not.

baseballfan Thu May 13, 2004 01:42pm
Quote:
Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:
Originally posted by baseballfan
sir_eldren hit the nail on the head:

"Does the AB count as an AB, or is it tossed out when he comes to the plate again to start the new inning? We all know that he gets a fresh count, but what comes of the record of his last AB?"

Still haven't heard anyone give an answer to this.
No one has addressed it because the rules don't cover it -- it doesn't affect the game or any recognized statistics.

you can probably get a number higher that 12 if you include balks, and a rained-out / replayed game where the batter in question is the lead-off batter.
"a rained-out / replayed game"

How exactly would this situation take place? It's not the same as a rain delay after which the batter gets back the same count?

bluezebra Thu May 13, 2004 01:45pm
Quote:
Originally posted by baseballfan
sir_eldren hit the nail on the head:

"Does the AB count as an AB, or is it tossed out when he comes to the plate again to start the new inning? We all know that he gets a fresh count, but what comes of the record of his last AB?"

Still haven't heard anyone give an answer to this.
It's hard to "hear" a printed word.

WE all know that there is only ONE at-bat per trip. If the third out is made on an attempted steal, pickoff, etc. the batter hasn't completed his turn at-bat.

baseballfan Thu May 13, 2004 01:51pm
Quote:
Originally posted by bluezebra
Quote:
Originally posted by baseballfan
sir_eldren hit the nail on the head:

"Does the AB count as an AB, or is it tossed out when he comes to the plate again to start the new inning? We all know that he gets a fresh count, but what comes of the record of his last AB?"

Still haven't heard anyone give an answer to this.
It's hard to "hear" a printed word.

WE all know that there is only ONE at-bat per trip. If the third out is made on an attempted steal, pickoff, etc. the batter hasn't completed his turn at-bat.
Yes, the at bat is incomplete in mind as well but would the previous time at the plate still be considered part of the same at bat? It's a hard discussion LOL.

bob jenkins Thu May 13, 2004 02:14pm
Quote:
Originally posted by baseballfan

"a rained-out / replayed game"

How exactly would this situation take place? It's not the same as a rain delay after which the batter gets back the same count?
Lead off batter in the game takes 5 pitches. It starts to pour. Game called.

Later in the year, game starts over -- same leadoff batter.

Is this "one" at-bat?

There's no right or wrong answer -- it's all mental masturbation.

woolnojg Thu May 13, 2004 03:15pm
Not an AB. Does not count for any batter stats.


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