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blueump Wed Apr 28, 2004 08:25am

FED rule 8-4-2 (f):

"Any runner is out when he: as a runner or RETIRED RUNNER, fails to execute a legal slide, or does not attempt to avoid the fielder or the play on a force play at any base"

Situation FED game. R1 on 1st with one out. Batter hits a grounder to short who flips to to the second baseman for the force. R1, already out on the force does not slide but actually overruns second base colliding with the second baseman, who is turning to make the throw to first.

I called the batter/runner out (double play) for the obvious interference.

My question is...If there was NO chance at a double play, and the forced runner is already out (retired runner), how can you call him out AGAIN for not avoiding the fielder? Maybe I'm missing the point of this rule????

mick Wed Apr 28, 2004 08:39am

Quote:

Originally posted by blueump
FED rule 8-4-2 (f):

"Any runner is out when he: as a runner or RETIRED RUNNER, fails to execute a legal slide, or does not attempt to avoid the fielder or the play on a force play at any base"

Situation FED game. R1 on 1st with one out. Batter hits a grounder to short who flips to to the second baseman for the force. R1, already out on the force does not slide but actually overruns second base colliding with the second baseman, who is turning to make the throw to first.

I called the batter/runner out (double play) for the obvious interference.

My question is...If there was NO chance at a double play, and the forced runner is already out (retired runner), how can you call him out AGAIN for not avoiding the fielder? Maybe I'm missing the point of this rule????

2-30 : <font color = red>Art.3...A retired runner is a player of the team at bat who has been put out, or who has scored and is still in live-ball area. </font> ;)

blueump Wed Apr 28, 2004 08:48am

Retired Runner
 
Ah,
So a runner who has legally scored, and then collides with the catcher who is attempting to say, throw to another base, will be called out and the run not count!

Ouch, then I bet you would become the coach's BESTEST FRIEND!

mick Wed Apr 28, 2004 09:36am

Re: Retired Runner
 
Quote:

Originally posted by blueump
Ah,
So a runner who has legally scored, and then collides with the catcher who is attempting to say, throw to another base, will be called out and the run not count!

Ouch, then I bet you would become the coach's BESTEST FRIEND!

The run still counts, I think, as long as the third out did not occur on that play.

bob jenkins Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:43pm

Re: Retired Runner
 
Quote:

Originally posted by blueump
Ah,
So a runner who has legally scored, and then collides with the catcher who is attempting to say, throw to another base, will be called out and the run not count!

Ouch, then I bet you would become the coach's BESTEST FRIEND!

Yes, if it's a FPSR violation; otherwise the run counts.

mick Wed Apr 28, 2004 03:38pm

Re: Re: Retired Runner
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by blueump
Ah,
So a runner who has legally scored, and then collides with the catcher who is attempting to say, throw to another base, will be called out and the run not count!

Ouch, then I bet you would become the coach's BESTEST FRIEND!

Yes, if it's a FPSR violation; otherwise the run counts.

What is FPSR? :rolleyes:

DownTownTonyBrown Wed Apr 28, 2004 04:48pm

FPSR
 
Force Play Slide Rule

NFHS 8-4-2 Note and Penalty


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