FED Helmet Removal

[harmbu]

R3 with 2 outs. B1 hits a home run and before reaching home R3 removes his helmet. PU calls R3 out and disallows both runs as the out was the third of the innings. Of course this led to an ejection of the offesive coach. In our state, an ejection comes with an automatic one game suspension at the same level. During the JV game the same night, PU tells the ejected coach that he is just going to write it up as a restritction to the bench so that the coach does not have to serve his suspension.

Thoughts anyone?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by harmbu

R3 with 2 outs. B1 hits a home run and before reaching home R3 removes his helmet. PU calls R3 out and disallows both runs as the out was the third of the innings. Of course this led to an ejection of the offensive coach. In our state, an ejection comes with an automatic one game suspension at the same level. During the JV game the same night, PU tells the ejected coach that he is just going to write it up as a restriction to the bench so that the coach does not have to serve his suspension.

Thoughts anyone?

1) The PU was incorrect. The Helmet Rule is in effect when the Ball is Live not Dead.

2) The PU incorrect Ruling was sure to elicit some sort of response of the Offensive HC and unfortunately if the Offensive HC's conduct rises to the such conduct that he has to be Ejected then the PU has to take care of business.

3) Now the PU is just wimping out because he does not want to face the music when he submits his Game Report regarding his Ejection of the Offensive HC.

MTD, Sr.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

1) The PU was incorrect. The Helmet Rule is in effect when the Ball is Live not Dead.

2) The PU incorrect Ruling was sure to elicit some sort of response of the Offensive HC and unfortunately if the Offensive HC's conduct rises to the such conduct that he has to be Ejected then the PU has to take care of business.

3) Now the PU is just wimping out because he does not want to face the music when he submits his Game Report regarding his Ejection of the Offensive HC.

MTD, Sr.

While the helmet rule is during a live ball, the penalty is not an out. It’s a warning and then an ejection. Unless that state has modified FED rules.

[Middleman]

Old, old, old rule. In the 70's helmet removal was an out.

I agree with MTD, Sr. If the coach's behavior got him ejected, so be it. He could have discussed (argued) the call without crossing the line.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Middleman

Old, old, old rule. In the 70's helmet removal was an out.

I agree with MTD, Sr. If the coach's behavior got him ejected, so be it. He could have discussed (argued) the call without crossing the line.

Here's the problem. Qualitatively, we don't know that he crossed the line, absent the report. It wouldn't be unreasonable to claim that an umpire that does not understand the helmet rule and chooses not to submit a report about an ejection arising from his misapplication of the rules may have improperly ejected a coach.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Matt

Here's the problem. Qualitatively, we don't know that he crossed the line, absent the report. It wouldn't be unreasonable to claim that an umpire that does not understand the helmet rule and chooses not to submit a report about an ejection arising from his misapplication of the rules may have improperly ejected a coach.

Let us assume that this is a regular season game during the Spring. As far as the OhioHSAA (or MichiganHSAA) is concerned once the HC is ejected he is ejected for the day. There is nothing that the Official/Umpire can do to change that. Furthermore, the Official/Umpire must file a Game Report and the ejection will stand but the Official/Umpire will no doubt have to face the music for screwing up the Ruling.

MTD, Sr.