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jwwashburn Fri Oct 07, 2016 05:52pm

Kershaw doesn't stop
 
Dodgers at Nationals

I have not seen a stop yet

jwwashburn Fri Oct 07, 2016 05:59pm

Ok, I have seen a couple of stops now but, he is doing a lot of "not stopping".

Rich Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:18pm

The silence of anyone caring is deafening. :)

Rich Ives Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:12pm

Cueto will really tick you off then.

Matt Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:55pm

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 991558)
Cueto will really tick you off then.

Why? He stops all the time!

Rich Ives Sat Oct 08, 2016 08:24am

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 991559)
He stops all the time!

Nope.

CoachPaul Sun Oct 09, 2016 08:26pm

In physics, a stop is mandatory for any change of direction. It's impossible to change directions without a momentary stop. Momentum is zero, even if for a micro second.

Matt Sun Oct 09, 2016 08:45pm

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Originally Posted by CoachPaul (Post 991615)
In physics, a stop is mandatory for any change of direction. It's impossible to change directions without a momentary stop. Momentum is zero, even if for a micro second.

And that's not relevant, because the stop has to be discernable.

Rich Sun Oct 09, 2016 09:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachPaul (Post 991615)
In physics, a stop is mandatory for any change of direction. It's impossible to change directions without a momentary stop. Momentum is zero, even if for a micro second.



Except also that the stop means everything stops. If I lift my leg before the hands stop....

CoachPaul Mon Oct 10, 2016 06:34am

I don't want to get into a word definition battle for sure, but people discern things differently. If there is a change in direction of the hands, and that change if direction occurs in the same spot each time, it can be predicted and ceases to be deceptive. I have then discerned there was a stop. If minimum duration of time mattered greatly, there would be a time mentioned in the rules.

Obviously the pitcher can't begin their leg lift or slide step until their hands are either stopped, or moving in the same direction as their lift or slide step. Otherwise you have a balk.

Rich Mon Oct 10, 2016 07:28am

Except that the various rule codes have specifically said that a mere change in direction is not a stop.

No pitcher is ever required to deliver the same way each time, either. A delivery is either legal or illegal on its own.

MD Longhorn Mon Oct 10, 2016 01:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachPaul (Post 991615)
In physics, a stop is mandatory for any change of direction. It's impossible to change directions without a momentary stop. Momentum is zero, even if for a micro second.

In a world of 2 dimensions, you are correct.

In real life -- this is completely false.

Imagine holding the ball in your hands and making a complete circle with it. You are constantly changing directions, and at one point you stop going up and start coming down (and at another point, vice versa) ... but you never stopped.

ozzy6900 Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:47am

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Originally Posted by CoachPaul (Post 991619)
I don't want to get into a word definition battle for sure, but people discern things differently. If there is a change in direction of the hands, and that change if direction occurs in the same spot each time, it can be predicted and ceases to be deceptive. I have then discerned there was a stop. If minimum duration of time mattered greatly, there would be a time mentioned in the rules.

Obviously the pitcher can't begin their leg lift or slide step until their hands are either stopped, or moving in the same direction as their lift or slide step. Otherwise you have a balk.

The only rule set that followed this rule to the letter was NCAA and that was changed years ago to meld with the other rule sets. "a change of direction is not to be considered a stop".

Rich Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachPaul (Post 991619)
I don't want to get into a word definition battle for sure, but people discern things differently. If there is a change in direction of the hands, and that change if direction occurs in the same spot each time, it can be predicted and ceases to be deceptive. I have then discerned there was a stop. If minimum duration of time mattered greatly, there would be a time mentioned in the rules.

Obviously the pitcher can't begin their leg lift or slide step until their hands are either stopped, or moving in the same direction as their lift or slide step. Otherwise you have a balk.

So if a pitcher does it the first time it's a balk, but on the 24th time it isn't?

Fascinating.

BoomerSooner Tue Oct 11, 2016 01:47pm

He stopped entirely after the 5th inning!

Forest Ump Mon Oct 17, 2016 09:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachPaul (Post 991619)
If there is a change in direction of the hands, and that change if direction occurs in the same spot each time, it can be predicted and ceases to be deceptive. I have then discerned there was a stop. If minimum duration of time mattered greatly, there would be a time mentioned in the rules.

"ceases to be deceptive" has nothing to do with calling a balk. That's not mentioned in the rules.

Rich Ives Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:43am

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Originally Posted by CoachPaul (Post 991619)
If there is a change in direction of the hands, and that change if direction occurs in the same spot each time, it can be predicted and ceases to be deceptive.

Most pitchers stop in the same spot every time. It would mess up their mechanics if they altered it.

What they do is alter the elapsed time of the stop. This keeps theor mechanics the same but keeps the runner on his toes.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Oct 18, 2016 06:29am

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Originally Posted by CoachPaul (Post 991615)
In physics, a stop is mandatory for any change of direction. It's impossible to change directions without a momentary stop. Momentum is zero, even if for a micro second.


Coach Paul:

One cannot make the statement that: "It's impossible [for an object] to change directions without a momentary stop." Circular motion is an excellent example of an object changing direction without stopping.

MTD, Sr.

Mbilica Tue Oct 18, 2016 06:41am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 992000)
Coach Paul:

One cannot make the statement that: "It's impossible [for an object] to change directions without a momentary stop." Circular motion is an excellent example of an object changing direction without stopping.

MTD, Sr.

I agree. It would be more accurate scientifically to say that an object cannot reverse direction without stopping. Stopping is only necessary in 1 dimension situations. Along each dimension, objects stop before changing direction even in circular motion (look at the horizontal and vertical components of circular motion). Of course, athletes move in 3 dimensions, so the statement that they can't change direction without stopping is incorrect.

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