Why isn't it OoB?...

JohnBark · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 14, 2003, 10:50pm

i'm a newbie again after about a 10 year lay off. a quick and interesting question, i wanted to ask you veterans.

A1 is OB and about to throw-in the ball. A1 reach with the ball inbounds, thus breaking the plane. why isn't it a volation on A1 for the player (A1) being out of bounds and the ball being awarded to Team B for A1 being out of bounds while holding the ball?

is it because the ball is dead and not yet a live ball?

thanks!

JRutledge · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 14, 2003, 10:55pm

Because it isn't.

You need to look at your definitions and what is out of bounds and what it does not say.

Live and dead ball does not play a part here.

Peace

oc · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 14, 2003, 10:58pm

The ball is not inbounds until it touches the floor, backboard or someone who is inbounds. In your scenario the ball is live but still oob the whole time. A1 is legally oob.

BktBallRef · #4 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 14, 2003, 11:27pm

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Originally posted by oc
The ball is not inbounds until it touches the floor, backboard or someone who is inbounds. In your scenario the ball is live but still oob the whole time. A1 is legally oob.

Also, the thrower is legally OOB> If a defender touches or grabs the ball, it's legal and A1 does not cause the ball to be OOB.

But if A2 touches it....

DownTownTonyBrown · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 15, 2003, 03:27am

Tony,
how could you even suggest starting that conversation again?

BktBallRef · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 15, 2003, 10:21am

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Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
Tony,
how could you even suggest starting that conversation again?

Whaaa?

If A2 touches the ball, it's a violation, as the ball must be passed, not handed to a teammate.

Not sure what you were thinking.

pbrad59 · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 16, 2003, 12:32pm

OK, slight variation on the subject. A1 is inbounding the ball. A2 steps OOB to take A1's spot to throw the ball in. A1 hands the ball to A2 while both are OOB. The other night my partner called a throw in violation for this exact situation. I didn't get a chance to talk with him after the game about his call. Help me out here, was there a violation and if so what was it? To me it looked like team A simply wanted to change the throw in person.

Smiley · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 16, 2003, 12:47pm

If this was a spot throw-in, your partner was correct. It is illegal to replace the thrower.

rainmaker · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 16, 2003, 12:55pm

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Originally posted by pbrad59
OK, slight variation on the subject. A1 is inbounding the ball. A2 steps OOB to take A1's spot to throw the ball in. A1 hands the ball to A2 while both are OOB. The other night my partner called a throw in violation for this exact situation. I didn't get a chance to talk with him after the game about his call. Help me out here, was there a violation and if so what was it? To me it looked like team A simply wanted to change the throw in person.

This is one of those had-to-be-there things. If this is 7th grade girls, and the coach is yelling, "No, let Ashley take it out! Kiesha, you need to get to the high post! Ashley! You go get the ball, and take it out!!" etc and the girls have no clue, and you probably shouldn't have handed it off so soon, you blow your whistle, take the ball back and start over. If it's varsity boys state championship game, you call the violation. The line between call and do-over is in the middle somewhere, and you're the only one who can decide where.

Also remember that after a made basket, this is legal, as long as neither player "carries the ball inbounds."