Incorrect Test Answers

just another ref

Okay, we got our tests back for review today. They say I missed 8. I have serious issues with their results.

A1 is at the free throw line for a single try. The official bounces the ball towards A1, and does not see that B3 is trying to get to the 3rd lane space on the opposite side. By the time A1 catches the ball, B3 is crossing the free throw line, moving into the 3rd lane space. The officials stop the free throw, take the ball from the shooter, and allow the players to reset along the lane. No violation is called.

true or false

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

just another ref wrote
Okay, we got our tests back for review today. They say I missed 8. I have serious issues with their results.

A1 is at the free throw line for a single try. The official bounces the ball towards A1, and does not see that B3 is trying to get to the 3rd lane space on the opposite side. By the time A1 catches the ball, B3 is crossing the free throw line, moving into the 3rd lane space. The officials stop the free throw, take the ball from the shooter, and allow the players to reset along the lane. No violation is called.

true or false

False.

For another $50 (sent to me RefPay account; see https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/100464-direct-deposit-schools.html, :p) I will tell you the correct procedure.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac

just another ref wrote
A1 is at the free throw line for a single try. The official bounces the ball towards A1, and does not see that B3 is trying to get to the 3rd lane space on the opposite side. By the time A1 catches the ball, B3 is crossing the free throw line, moving into the 3rd lane space. The officials stop the free throw, take the ball from the shooter, and allow the players to reset along the lane. No violation is called ...true or false.

This is not a true/false question. True means that the situation really happened. False means that the test writer lied abut the situation.

How about ending the question with "Is the official correct? Yes or No?"

I say no, the officials were not correct. Correct would be a delayed violation on B3.

Raymond

I know what a good crew would do.

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ODog

BadNewsRef wrote
I know what a good crew would do.

Haha, so do I. And they wouldn't write a laughable question like this either. 😉

BlueDevilRef

If she moves after I bounce the ball to shooter, fist extended out, shooting it again if it is missed.

So for those of you who say you know what a good crew would do, please elaborate

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Rich

BadNewsRef wrote
I know what a good crew would do.

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Blow the whistle, get the ball back, and reset everything?

Raymond

BlueDevilRef wrote
If she moves after I bounce the ball to shooter, fist extended out, shooting it again if it is missed.

So for those of you who say you know what a good crew would do, please elaborate

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You've changed the question.

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Raymond

Rich wrote
Blow the whistle, get the ball back, and reset everything?

For the situation described in the OP, yes.

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BlueDevilRef

BadNewsRef wrote
You've changed the question.

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I see that you are correct. In the instance of the OP, I would blow it dead and reset it bc my action caused the "violation". I don't know if it is correct or not, but I always pause a bit before administering to make sure nobody is set up wrong or moving.

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Rich

BadNewsRef wrote
For the situation described in the OP, yes.

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It's a no brainer to me. Player is moving and I didn't notice. My bad. Let's go.

Rob1968

The question should be whether a violation has occurred.

The ball is not live until it is at the disposal of the shooter, which is when he/she catches it: 6-1-2c, 4-4-7b, 9-1-3d, f, g.

Accordingly, no violation has occurred.

Therefore, blow the whistle, verify that everyone is ready, and restart the free throw.

Raymond

Rob1968 wrote
The question should be whether a violation has occurred.

The ball is not live until it is at the disposal of the shooter, which is when he/she catches it: 6-1-2c, 4-4-7b, 9-1-3d, f, g.

Accordingly, no violation has occurred.

Therefore, blow the whistle, verify that everyone is ready, and restart the free throw.

Good point, I should have made that point when bluedevil brought up the other scenario.

BillyMac

Rob1968 wrote
The ball is not live until it is at the disposal of the shooter, which is when he/she catches it: ... Accordingly, no violation has occurred.

just another ref wrote
By the time A1 catches the ball, B3 is crossing the free throw line, moving into the 3rd lane space.

How is this not a live ball before the violation? A1 catches the ball and then B3 moves into an unoccupied lane space. Delayed violation.

frezer11

just another ref wrote
Okay, we got our tests back for review today. They say I missed 8. I have serious issues with their results.

A1 is at the free throw line for a single try. The official bounces the ball towards A1, and does not see that B3 is trying to get to the 3rd lane space on the opposite side. By the time A1 catches the ball, B3 is crossing the free throw line, moving into the 3rd lane space. The officials stop the free throw, take the ball from the shooter, and allow the players to reset along the lane. No violation is called.

true or false

BillyMac wrote
How is this not a live ball before the violation? A1 catches the ball and then B3 moves into an unoccupied lane space. Delayed violation.

Based on the OP, I would say that the ball being caught by A1, and B3 entering happen simultaneously, not in series. I think that gives us the wiggle room to be able to say, "Hold up, my bad" and reload. If the shooter clearly has it, and THEN B3 enters, delayed violation.

deecee

frezer11 wrote
Based on the OP, I would say that the ball being caught by A1, and B3 entering happen simultaneously, not in series. I think that gives us the wiggle room to be able to say, "Hold up, my bad" and reload. If the shooter clearly has it, and THEN B3 enters, delayed violation.

By the book yes. But as it has been stated the acceptable approach is that we blow the whistle get the ball back and start over. Shouldn't punish a team because we were in a rush.

frezer11

just another ref wrote
Okay, we got our tests back for review today. They say I missed 8. I have serious issues with their results.

A1 is at the free throw line for a single try. The official bounces the ball towards A1, and does not see that B3 is trying to get to the 3rd lane space on the opposite side. By the time A1 catches the ball, B3 is crossing the free throw line, moving into the 3rd lane space. The officials stop the free throw, take the ball from the shooter, and allow the players to reset along the lane. No violation is called.

true or false

By the way, a little off topic here, but what route is he taking that he needs to cross the free throw line??? Should that maybe say lane line? Another example of a question that could easily be worded much better...

frezer11

deecee wrote
By the book yes. But as it has been stated the acceptable approach is that we blow the whistle get the ball back and start over. Shouldn't punish a team because we were in a rush.

Oh I agree entirely, if its even remotely close I will kill it. I've never once had a coach make any sort of argument that there may have been a violation. Now if its 2 seconds after A1 has it? Too late

BillyMac

frezer11 wrote
Based on the OP, I would say that the ball being caught by A1, and B3 entering happen simultaneously, not in series. I think that gives us the wiggle room to be able to say, "Hold up, my bad" and reload. If the shooter clearly has it, and THEN B3 enters, delayed violation.

Agree 100%.

bob jenkins

frezer11 wrote
By the way, a little off topic here, but what route is he taking that he needs to cross the free throw line??? Should that maybe say lane line? Another example of a question that could easily be worded much better...

I think they meant FT line extended.