Dribbling During an OB Throw-In

Refhoop

Last week I had/saw for-the-first-time as a player, coach or official:
A1 is in-bounding after a made basket, she dribbles a couple of times, picks up the ball and throws directly in bounds to a teammate.
In my mind: "Crap, I think that's ok, I'm not blowing the whistle... I hope no one else saw that... stay focused!"
Opposing coach is up mildly objecting: "she can't do that". I say to objecting coach: why not? His response was predictable: "She just can't"
Next dead ball: crew comes together and we all say, "never saw that before" and I tell them, I've never seen a rule prohibiting the act - so I let it go!
R tells coach: we'll check the book at half time - he's wining big, so its all good.
Low and behold: Case book: 9.2.2 situation D,
1. Any of you ever have this and get it wrong?
2. Same on collegiate level (curious)?
3. Can a player "double dribble" while OB?
4. If it hits the official, rebounds back to thrower... do we have nothing, except the shock of getting hit?
And, case book doesn't specify spot-throw in or after made basket.

Raymond

If you've read 9.2.2 then questions 3 & 4 are superfluous. In fact, how would question 3 make sense?

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JetMetFan

Refhoop wrote
Last week I had/saw for-the-first-time as a player, coach or official:
A1 is in-bounding after a made basket, she dribbles a couple of times, picks up the ball and throws directly in bounds to a teammate.
In my mind: "Crap, I think that's ok, I'm not blowing the whistle... I hope no one else saw that... stay focused!"
Opposing coach is up mildly objecting: "she can't do that". I say to objecting coach: why not? His response was predictable: "She just can't"
Next dead ball: crew comes together and we all say, "never saw that before" and I tell them, I've never seen a rule prohibiting the act - so I let it go!
R tells coach: we'll check the book at half time - he's wining big, so its all good.
Low and behold: Case book: 9.2.2 situation D,
1. Any of you ever have this and get it wrong?
2. Same on collegiate level (curious)?
3. Can a player "double dribble" while OB?
4. If it hits the official, rebounds back to thrower... do we have nothing, except the shock of getting hit?
And, case book doesn't specify spot-throw in or after made basket.

1. Yes...No
2. Yes
3. The limits on what a player can/cannot do with the ball during a throw-in are pretty well laid out in Rules 7 and 9 (and 10 if they really tried something dumb)
4. It would depend on where the official is standing and whether it's a spot throw-in. The latter is probably more important because that would determine whether the thrower could legally retrieve the ball

Refhoop

BadNewsRef wrote
If you've read 9.2.2 then questions 3 & 4 are superfluous. In fact, how would question 3 make sense?

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Better wording would be: dribble, pick up, dribble again, pick up.
Thanks for responding.

Raymond

Refhoop wrote
Better wording would be: dribble, pick up, dribble again, pick up.
Thanks for responding.

I'm curious what you've come across that would even make you think such a violation exists.

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BillyMac

9.2.2 SITUATION D: A1 dribbles the ball on floor on the out-of-bounds area
before making a throw-in. RULING: Legal, a player may bounce the ball on the
out-of-bounds area prior to making a throw-in.

Dad

Refhoop wrote
Better wording would be: dribble, pick up, dribble again, pick up.
Thanks for responding.

No need to say anything, dribbling rules don't apply. Same reason you're not calling a violation on a free thrower for his/her goofy shot prep.

Read through the book as often as you can. Why would the case book need to tell you about a throw in after a made shot?

BillyMac

I believe that I read, somewhere on this Forum, that a dribble can only occur inbounds, that an out of bounds inbounder is not actually dribbling the ball but, rather, is bouncing the ball, and since this player is not dribbling, this player can't double (illegal) dribble.

I'm having trouble finding relevant rule citations, other than the casebook play stated above, for this situation. How about a little help?

BillyMac

BillyMac wrote
I'm having trouble finding relevant rule citations, other than the casebook play stated above, for this situation. How about a little help?

Found it ...

BASKETBALL RULES FUNDAMENTALS

5. Neither the dribble nor traveling rule operates during the jump ball, throw-in or free throw.

Dad

Rules 4-42

NOTE: The thrower must keep one foot on or over the designated spot until the ball is released. The traveling and dribbling rules are not in effect for a throw-in

Raymond

BillyMac wrote
I believe that I read, somewhere on this Forum, that a dribble can only occur inbounds, that an out of bounds inbounder is not actually dribbling the ball but, rather, is bouncing the ball, and since this player is not dribbling, this player can't double (illegal) dribble.

I'm having trouble finding relevant rule citations, other than the casebook play stated above, for this situation. How about a little help?

You should know that on your own, not because you've read it somewhere in the forum. You have been officiating too long.

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BillyMac

BadNewsRef wrote
You have been officiating too long.

Funny? That's exactly what a lot of coaches, and many of my partners, have been telling me.

Refhoop

BadNewsRef wrote
I'm curious what you've come across that would even make you think such a violation exists.

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First time I've come across this. As I explained, I was sure there was no prohibition and got clarification from the case.
Rule 4-42 is perfect!

Not real sure of bouncing over dribbling though: Hey Coach, he's bouncing the ball, not dribbling it... 😮

You guys are sharp, nothing gets past you in this game!

Raymond

Refhoop wrote
First time I've come across this. As I explained, I was sure there was no prohibition and got clarification from the case.
Rule 4-42 is perfect!

Not real sure of bouncing over dribbling though: Hey Coach, he's bouncing the ball, not dribbling it... 😮

You guys are sharp, nothing gets past you in this game!

There is an illegal dribble violation, not an illegal bounce violation. A dribble is a defined basketball act.

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referee99

I've never seen a rule prohibiting the act - so I let it go!

Keep doing that.

BillyMac

referee99 wrote
Keep doing that.

If it's not illegal, it's legal.

Refhoop

BillyMac wrote
If it's not illegal, it's legal.

I agree. Telling a coach I didn't know a rule is bad, but making up a rule is far worse!

Dad

Refhoop wrote
I agree. Telling a coach I didn't know a rule is bad, but making up a rule is far worse!

Sometimes I wish I didn't know the rules. When A1 is shooting, B1 violates, then A1 airballs the shot...

You will get boo'd and everyone thinks you're making stuff up.

Adam

Dad wrote
Sometimes I wish I didn't know the rules. When A1 is shooting, B1 violates, then A1 airballs the shot...

You will get boo'd and everyone thinks you're making stuff up.

With the rule change, this is far less likely to happen where I can't consider B1's actions to be disconcerting.

Freddy

Dad wrote
Sometimes I wish I didn't know the rules. When A1 is shooting, B1 violates, then A1 airballs the shot...
You will get boo'd and everyone thinks you're making stuff up.

Non-officials' ignorance of the nuances of the rules you and are expected to know and apply bothers you? Am I reading that right?