What would you do?

Raymond

Rooster wrote
Yup, just ask my wife.

Like I wrote, I'm not married to the idea of a technical foul here. Where I get hung up, however, is the non-basketball element of trying to trip someone as he goes by. Part of the hang-up: I could envision a coach arguing that "he was reaching for the ball."

Common, intentional, or flagrant are your choices. Technical foul is not an option for NFHS or NCAA games.

Rooster

BadNewsRef wrote
Common, intentional, or flagrant are your choices. Technical foul is not an option for NFHS or NCAA games.

Yep, got it. Thanks for helping me sort it out. I think 2-8-1 and 4-19-14 (the noncontact part makes it clear now) were throwing me off.

Sharpshooternes

How did you like the foul/blocked shot at 27:05?

ODog

Sharpshooternes wrote
How did you like the foul/blocked shot at 27:05?

I like the call. Looked like the kid nearly took the shooter's arm off at the elbow.

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OKREF wrote
Yes the trail should hold his whistle

Correct.

OKREF wrote
I don't think there is anything wrong with the trail having a whistle

Wrong.

OKREF wrote
but just hold the signal to see what the lead has so we don't have conflicting signals

Certainly, this is standard for all double whistles.

OKREF wrote
there's no way I'm giving it up without knowing for certain my partner has picked it up

It's in his primary. Do you not trust him to referee his primary, especially a strong-side drive to the basket (going away from you) with secondary defenders right in front of him??

OKREF wrote
He may be officiating post play and not pick it up clean.

What post play? This is a drive to the bucket right in his lap, I'd wager he's not refereeing post play.

OKREF wrote
I'm staying with the drive, especially when it's into the lane.

Which is totally fine, but you need to know what you as Trail have responsibility to referee and what your partner has to pick up. In this play Trail has the guy who gets beat off the dribble and BI/goaltending and that's it. As Trail you blew on a secondary defender block/charge situation. That is 100% Lead's call, and in two or three person there should be no way Trail ever has a whistle on that play. If Trail would have a whistle it would have to be for a hit on the drive prior to the block/charge.

I hear old dudes all the time pregame "if the drive starts in your primary you've got it all the way to the basket". This is old thinking and frankly just wrong by how we do things today.

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Sharpshooternes wrote
How did you like the foul/blocked shot at 27:05?

Easy block. Ball first, rest is incidental. Consider which direction the ball went.

Raymond

ODog wrote
I like the call. Looked like the kid nearly took the shooter's arm off at the elbow.

He didn't come close to the elbow. He blocked the ball up top and the ball went directly OOB.

So you have not only an incorrect call, but an IC against the team that is losing by 16 points, and puts a 4th foul on their leading scorer. At the college level the official would be getting a phone call by the time he reached his driveway.

APG

ODog wrote
I like the call. Looked like the kid nearly took the shooter's arm off at the elbow.

This is a blocked shot IMO...look at the hand level of the defender to the ball...it's at the level of the ball....this is a big giveaway that the defender gets to the ball legally. If he gets the arm at the elbow like you're suggesting, his hand would be nowhere close to the ball.

crosscountry55

BadNewsRef wrote
He didn't come close to the elbow. He blocked the ball up top and the ball went directly OOB.

So you have not only an incorrect call, but an IC against the team that is losing by 16 points, and puts a 4th foul on their leading scorer. At the college level the official would be getting a phone call by the time he reached his driveway.

+1. Didn't see the whole play. It was sort of like, "start, develop, fi...boop." Anticipated the call.

OKREF

Sharpshooternes wrote
How did you like the foul/blocked shot at 27:05?

I know why this was called a foul. Lets just leave it alone, please.

Camron Rust

AremRed wrote
Correct.

I hear old dudes all the time pregame "if the drive starts in your primary you've got it all the way to the basket". This is old thinking and frankly just wrong by how we do things today.

Well, we old dudes say that here but what we mean by that is actually what you describe above....the T has the primary defender all the way in to the shot. It is NOT referring to secondary defenders. It is to contrast with the old way of thinking where it was 100% the leads for all defenders once it enters the lane.

Camron Rust

BadNewsRef wrote
He didn't come close to the elbow. He blocked the ball up top and the ball went directly OOB.

APG wrote
This is a blocked shot IMO...look at the hand level of the defender to the ball...it's at the level of the ball....this is a big giveaway that the defender gets to the ball legally. If he gets the arm at the elbow like you're suggesting, his hand would be nowhere close to the ball.

Actually, I don't think we can tell whether he got the elbow or not. I agree his hand didn't get the elbow but the rest of the defender's arm was right there where it could have hit. I just can't tell for sure from the angle in the video....and the L was in a great position.

I tend to go with a blocked shot, but I can't say that with 100% certainty.

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