What is a foul?

Valley Man

reffish wrote
After working an elementary school game (3/4), not horribly physical, just the normal typical do I call that travel or that travel. How about that foul, or that one? There may have been a sequence where a foul could have been called, but nothing to cause a riot with players or even coaches. After the game, a kid, about 8-9 years old, come up to us and asks "I am not a basketball player and would like to know what is a foul?" I opened my mouth to answer her and realized that a parent sent her. I replied, no, we are not going to do this, go back to your parent. Thank you for asking. Never had a kid sent to confront a ref.

Well son … it is a bird (such as a chicken) that is raised for food.

Pantherdreams

Quick - Illegal contact that we decide has a direct impact on the play or that is excessive.

Not So Quick - Basketball is a contact sport so contact is going to occur that is just incidental to the game. Our job is to judge the impact or effect the contact has and who is responsible.

Sermon on the Mount - Combine Quick and Not So Quick. REvisit everal plays from the game and explain the process and reasoning.

The Padgett - Quick + "Thanks for your concern. Can I have your mom's number?"

reffish

All great responses!

LRZ

I would delete "we decide" in the quick response.

jpgc99

reffish wrote
After working an elementary school game (3/4), not horribly physical, just the normal typical do I call that travel or that travel. How about that foul, or that one? There may have been a sequence where a foul could have been called, but nothing to cause a riot with players or even coaches. After the game, a kid, about 8-9 years old, come up to us and asks "I am not a basketball player and would like to know what is a foul?" I opened my mouth to answer her and realized that a parent sent her. I replied, no, we are not going to do this, go back to your parent. Thank you for asking. Never had a kid sent to confront a ref.

I'd continue jogging to my locker room with no response or acknowledgement of the question.

HokiePaul

"There's a lot of rules that cover fouls. If you want to learn more, after the game I can sell you my rule book for $20"

reffish

We had to stay for the next game. I watched the kid go back to her dad and explain my answer. The dad never looked over.

Adam

jpgc99 wrote
I'd continue jogging to my locker room with no response or acknowledgement of the question.

The next time I do a 3/4 grade game with a dressing room for the officials will be the first.

And I would have done it exactly as the OP. I'm not getting into officiating discussions with a 10 year old. Or a dad. Let alone a dad trying to use his 10 year old.

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reffish wrote
We had to stay for the next game. I watched the kid go back to her dad and explain my answer. The dad never looked over.

I love it when this happens! I just watch where the kid runs and stare at their parents. Hopefully they turn around.

jpgc99

Adam wrote
The next time I do a 3/4 grade game with a dressing room for the officials will be the first.

And I would have done it exactly as the OP. I'm not getting into officiating discussions with a 10 year old. Or a dad. Let alone a dad trying to use his 10 year old.

Yes, I realize my dry humor didn't come through well. Instances like this are why I dislike youth sports and haven't worked a youth basketball game in several years. A no-win situation for the official, to be sure, but that is unfortunately the reality of youth sports.

If I was in that situation I hope I woud have handled it as the OP did. I don't think there is a better way.

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There's a ref I know who has the driest sense of humour. Either that or he's autistic or something. He says coaches ask him all the time how something wasn't a foul and he tells them "it wasn't a foul because I didn't blow my whistle and put my fist in the air".

jpgc99

AremRed wrote
There's a ref I know who has the driest sense of humour. Either that or he's autistic or something. He says coaches ask him all the time how something wasn't a foul and he tells them "it wasn't a foul because I didn't blow my whistle and put my fist in the air".

I'm not that bad; I know that dry humor doesn't work well during the game so I'm not one to use the "humor as a de-escalation" tactic. That simply isn't part of my toolkit while on the court. 🙂 with that said, the thought above has run through my mind a few times.